Adelaide Pub Curfews

Partygoers could be turned away from pubs and clubs in Adelaide's CBD at 3:00am in a bid to curb binge drinking and alcohol-related violence.

The Family First party wants city entertainment venues to refuse new patrons entry after 3:00am.

A bill will be introduced to Parliament next week proposing a 12-month trial of a system similar to that which has been used in Newcastle, New South Wales.

MP Dennis Hood says Newcastle has noticed a marked decline in crime since the measure was put in place.

"It's an interesting initiative and I think as I said it's really the success that we've seen in Newcastle that's motivated the Family First position and we think it's worth a try," he said.

Mr Hood says the curfew would stop young people continuing to drink in the early hours.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/25/2254937.htm

Something which has the potential to impact almost every person who posts on here.

Discuss...

After working in pubs in the uk i found earlier closing times to have the opposite effect. What i found is that people got to the pub earlier and drank faster as the knew they had limited time. I really fail to see how this will make any real impact or curb binge drinking. It may stop a few pokie fiends from blowing all their doll cheques and baby bonus.

Not only that, then all the drunks end up on the street within a condensed amount of time (after 3AM) rather than being spread over the whole night.

Sounds like a recipe for even worse alcohol related problems.

MP Hood is a bloody idiot. This will have the same effect as the increased tax on 'alcopops'. It won't make any real positive difference at all.

I found the "once your out you're out" rule to cause more head fucks than its worth.

I have lost count of how many arguments i have had with piss pots over it & how many times i have had duty managers & owners show double standards for their friends. 

Personly i hope Family first stay directly the fuck out of this one & stick to hugging their children. Just let normal sane people deal with this problem

Should be 1am

YEP more fights more trouble which means more police which means more tax payers money. Not to mention hotels drink prices going up to make up for lost revenue.

I think we also need to put the pressure back on clubs and pubs. They have a duty of care to not serve people that are wankered or dinking heavily. It is quite easy to spot someone that has had too much to drink imo. Maybe they should focus their attention on training hotel staff on how to deal with the situation instead of closing earlier?

I have been saying that for 8 years now! bouncers are the most under trained staff you will ever meet & most bar staff are not much better, theres also a lot of presure on DM's to sell drinks & thus people never get cut off when they should

Thats the problem... They are not focusing on the issue at all.

Stupid question probably but what are DMs ?

Duty Manager

shithouse idea, i can speak as a semi retired drunken cockhead and say that this will never have a positive effect on tanked maggot, try getting rid off them at 3 and there will be bigtime ruckas from sdaid subjects such as "I'm not even half pissed you germ, now get your fuckin hands off me." or   "i'm not tanked fuckhead i could still smash you." type statements and actions.

I agree with the training of barstaff into drunken violence difusion

Fuck oath.

I for one am completely fed up with our freedoms being continually taken away due to an insignificant amount of fucktards.

What if you only finish work at 3am and want to go have a few bevvos? They're saying too fucking bad, lets not address the real problem and create another one instead.

If you didn't notice, Australia is currently at war with the following: Ice, Bikie gangs, Binge drinking, Teenage parties, Men of Middle-Eastern Appearance, Bashings/shootings in the city, etc etc

The media has been training people to oppose these so there is a general fear of the above in the population. Eventually nobody will ever leave their house because the outside world is full of Iced-up Bikies who randomly bash Binge drinkers at Teenage parties. And hey if Today Tonight still have no stories they can always find a Tax cheat or Dodgy builder.

there used to be a pommy version of the tv show cops on fox. their busiest time was when all the pubs closed at 2am i think it was. heaps of drunk cunts spilling out on to the street is obviously going to create trouble.

what's the general closing time of most places anyway?  4am?  what's the difference between them spilling out then, or a little bit earlier?

there's always gonna be some kind of shit going on, but like everyone's said, start with training the bar staff & managers responsible service!

there's a few places in the city that already close at 3.

really wouldn't make that much of a difference i reckon.

i'd prefer it in a lot of respects. get out earlier. get home earlier.

Shouldn't that be up to the individual?

no. it should be up to the government who makes the law and/or venue. the individual doesn't make the rules.

there are already restrictions in place which you could use that same argument oli...

What are the restrictions now on opening hours?

i have no idea tbh.

i think most venues have to shut up shop by 6am though.

by what you were saying earlier, if people didn't want to leave at that time and stay till say 8am. They should be allowed.

I guess he's talking about the whole liquor licensing thing.

But like everything, there has to be a limit to their (the govt's) control!!!

I think their targeting issues that don't really effect the majority of the public to win over their confidence. Just a shame that people like us will get screwed by it all.

OK. My point is that if you keep ignoring these restrictions (which won't actually fix the problems as a few people have pointed out) they'll just keep getting tighter and before you know it you'll get blinking lights in the pub at 11PM and everyone will get kicked out. Meanwhile the problem of binge drinking doesn't go away...

there used to be a 12pm close time. i don't it will never go back to that though.

3am really isn't that bad. if nights started at a reasonable time and brought out dj's and the like earlier, there would really be no issue.

I'm just pointing out that regardless of what you think now it could get earlier again if it goes ahead this time... Especially with groups like Family First holding a balance of power in govt. It really gives them a lot of leverage on issues like this. There isn't much debate against it either since young people are basically ignored by all politicians when it comes to issues like this. Seriously I think we (as in 18 to 30 year olds) are not approached or represented at all, in particular at State Govt level.

I see the argument Chris is saying, and I agree with earlie DJ/band times etc.
But I can also see the problem of more fights outside clubs when people want to get back in for their jacket/friends/wallet/girlfriend/boyfriend/drink etc. The bouncers will be working to keep them out, I can forsee some possibly getting stressed and there being some large blues happening.

I'm not so sure it's a good idea, maybe stop serving alcohol at that time and let people filter out until the usual closing time of 4 or 6am? But that also could caue problems and fights with bar staff unfortunately.

There just needs to be more control on drunk people buying more drinks and less pressure on the barstaff to sell drinks to all and sundry. Of course, easier said than done. Profit over protection of patrons.

I have to say I don't think it's quite that bad an idea per se, but it won't really achieve what it's supposed to - that is reducing binge drinking and late night violence.

It does suck though that we increasingly live in a 24/7 society - we can shop any day of the week, supermarkets open round the clock etc... People have to work at these places... But finish at 3am and want a beer? NO! YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE! YOU WILL BE DRUNK AND VIOLENT! Now go home and go to bed. You should have been out with your friends when they were out earlier. You're happiness is worth nothing to me. I am the government, so, fuck you.

If they must do it they could have a voluntary system like in QLD? Not sure how that worked out though...

Well, it's worked well in Newcastle and Brisbane...

If it saves one person from getting beaten up, sexually abused or harrassed then it's a positive thing that should be done.

If it means that one more person gets beaten up, sexually abused or harrassed then it's a negative thing that shouldn't be done.

At least give it a go if it's proven to work eslewhere.

BTW, it's pretty close minded to abuse Family First outright. Just cos you disagree with some of their views doesn't mean all of their views and ideas are invalid or wrong.

Family first... SO not getting into that at length. I disagree with their religious ideals, but some of their policies sort of make sense. Maybe one out of a dozen though.

Moron, you're right about if it prevents a rape/bashing that it is good. However IMHO it may increase said things as drunk people are on the streets en masse, looking for something to do.

Has it? Or is that just what the government there says? I'll believe it when I see independent reports about it. Honestly you have to be critical about what you hear on issues like this (well, any issues these days)...


Yes, IF it is proven. The problem is, if it is tried and it doesn't work then do you honestly think the government would admit "OK, so that didn't work, let's go back to the old system"? I don't.


I don't think anyone was abusing family first... I certainly wasn't. A discussion on family first is topic for another thread though I think.

These sentences don't really make as much sense as they appear to.

If you follow their logic, we should all drive at 5km/h, all alcohol should be banned, etc etc, you know, because with every step we'll be saving just one more person from getting beaten up, sexually abused or harrassed, or from being killed in a car accident.

We allow drinking, we allow going out late, the point here is exactly where to draw that artificial line which says everyone has to stop.

They're missing the whole point, it's not the alcohol's fault that some fuckhead get drunk and get into fights... it's that fuckhead that likes to get into fights! That person most likely is violent when they're not drunk as well. Realistically we need tougher penalties for violent people. Ideally these I'd like these violent people culled from society completely... then everyone wins.

yup, wondered whether anyone would mention this... apparently the UK were thinking about extending their hours to avoid this problem.

LOL.
Not that anything family first want would be based on anything say, proven to work.

Yes definitely, violent idiots need to be forced to take responsibility for their own actions 

And another bloody ridiculous thing brought in by the government. I remember people being out on the street with petitions for this at one stage. I signed to seperate petitions 10 times each. Looks like it didn't do any good.

No your wrong FF can fuck off & die. Anyone who thinks i (and many) are better of living with Diabetes than taking a few fucking stem cells for sceince is complety fucked in the head & should have their knee caps removed

Completely aree. I've brought up the same point with the price of alcohol problem. Just because a couple of people here and there are idiots it doesn't mean the rest of us should get fucked over. There are idiot drivers out there so they may as well ban driving, it's the same concept isn't it. FF are the most ridiculous party.

Fuck FF FTW!!!  Politics is fucked up enough without those tards bringing religion into it the game (more than it is already).  I loathe that party...

Completely agree! Among other things, the music scene and lifestyle we enjoy would seriously be compromised (even more so than it already is) if they got anymore power...can you really see them letting 'that doof doof music that druggies enjoy'* have any freedom at all? They'd be shutting down what limited raves are still left quicker than Jesus came back from the dead!**


*Not an actual FF quote, just my approximation of the general populace's thoughts on the scene.

**No offence intended to believers, I couldn't help myself with that pun! 

Wait, you're saying that they wouldn't shut anything down? Cause Jesus didn't actually come back from the dead... It's just a story.

I think they should impose a full citzen curfew of 3am! It's not fair to pick on drunks and party goers alone lets take control of everyones lives.  
Oh and everyone should have to wear a purple scarf between june and september! Don't argue it's the law!

For our protection!
 

WHAT? just a story! This leaves me challenging the existence of all my other religious Idols like Santa and The easter bunny!

Gee i'm glad I've got a government I can trust to push me in the right direction!

damn straight - i read somewhere that everyone between the ages of about 18 25 knows someone who has been bashed by someone intoxicated

 Once again the 99% of law abiding citizens will get punished for the actions of the minority.

 We have already seen this in the past month with the alcopop tax.

 Where will it end? Back to the six o'clock swill?

 Surely this will not pass?

 

 

 

doesn't really bother me coz I'm not a pub crawler!
get to a club at 11 and stay there till I wanna leave so i wouldn't be a new patron anywhere after 3.

Still sucks having restrictions though, the public are being treated like children!

this is more likely to have a different effect.
dj's will be put on so their sets so they play past 3am thus meaning punters cannot leave to go to another venue.
places that shut early like electric light, c&s will suffer when people leave earlier to make sure they get in to venues with a 5am or later license..
either way i imagine i'll be drunk trying to talk my way in after 3 many times in the future

yeah well religion thrives on fairy stories

It appears that small minded people have small memories, because it's been done before in Adelaide and it failed completely.

Hahaha. My dear friend Gatesy found a loop hole at our local BV pub.

They've taken to locking the people in the beer garden out of the rest of the pub at mid night.

So, she walks out of the beer garden, hiding her drink, and walks to the main entrance to the pub.

Starts drinking said drink & the bouncer says "Oi, you can't have that out here. Get inside!"
  Suckers.

here is an update on the melbourne situation...

MELBOURNE'S nightclubs have forced the state government into a backdown on its plan to lock people out of venues after 2am, club owners have said.

The Association of Liquor Licensees Melbourne vice president Andrew Sumpter said the Government had backed down after Premier John Brumby announced the lockout earlier this month in a bid to curb late night violence in the inner city.

Mr Sumpter said the Government agreed some clubs could let people in after 2am, as long as they put extra security on the door.

More than 40 club owners lodged an application with the Victorian Civil Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) to stop the three-month trial lockout coming into force from next Tuesday.

Mr Sumpter said after VCAT yesterday ordered the state government body Liquor Licensing Victoria (LLV) to mediate with club owners today, LLV backed down and came up with the deal.

Nightclubs which were part of the VCAT application and agree to place between two and seven extra security guards on their doors between 2am and 7am would now be allowed to let people enter after 2am, the owner said.

"They came back with an offer with a couple of conditions being there were extra security guards on duty, depending in the number of people present in the venue,'' Mr Sumpter said.

He said the licensees who accepted the conditions have been granted an exemption from the lockout trial.

Mr Sumpter said the win was a victory for democracy.

"It's not just a win for the club owners, it's a victory for democracy in this country,'' he said.

"I am not going to be told by anyone where I can and can't go at night.''

ALLM acting chairman Carlo Colosimo said he hoped clubs would now have a chance to be consulted in the formation of long-term laws aimed at curbing late-night, alcohol-fuelled street violence.

The three-month lockout trial will still affect about 450 inner Melbourne late night venues which were not part of today's appeal.

Bar owners have suggested having more police available to patrol streets and clubs at night, more vigorous prosecution of drinkers and clubs who breach the law, and education and proper consultation with club owners as alternative steps to help deal with late night violence.

Today's backdown also comes as hundreds of clubbers began protesting from 5pm today near Parliament House.

Earlier today police spokesman Senior Constable David Fitzgerald said there were many "grey areas'' in enforcing the lockout, including whether patrons could drink at licensed outdoor street tables after 2am.

He said police would have to negotiate with club owners on a case-by-case basis.

"There are a lot of unique bars and clubs that have their own idiosyncracies and we'll have to deal with them as each situation arises,'' Snr Cons Fitzgerald said.

But he said police would not allow anyone back inside a lockout venue if they stepped outside to have a cigarette after 2am.

LLV director Sue Maclellan said she had agreed to exempt 47 clubs.

Eight more have until Monday to agree to the conditions of the deal.

Ms Maclellan said the lockout trial would proceed as planned at the other 400 clubs in inner Melbourne from Tuesday.

So what about day-clubs?

Like revolver in melb?

Or even mile high club in addy? what will happen with them

Now thats a crock! To not let people in after two but to kick people out to have a smoke and then not let them in is bullshit. I don't smoke but I feel smokers are being unfairly attacked here!

haha love her work!!

Heard on the radio tonight that the Melbourne curfew is going ahead now. The club owners didn't get their way after all.

Can't wait for the reaction from the conservative groups that pushed for this curfew when violence gets condensed into a smaller timeframe and people get drunk a lot faster because they know they're going to have to leave the venues earlier...

Leave earlier? They don't have to close early too do they?

Yup, some fat assed bouncer kicked the shit out of kids who tried to dance* enter the club drunk.

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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23794271-661,00.html

Good going, juice head**!



*(obscure lyrical reference)

**(the bouncer, not Noddy)