Animal Cruetly - WSPA, be aware.

http://www.advocacyonline.net/eactivist/user/userC.jsp?15275&EXAMIN=1

Sign the petition!!

and if you would like more info go to:

Web: www.wspa.org.au

As Japanese whalers continue their cruel and bloody hunt in the Southern Ocean, I write to you with this urgent request to help protect these incredible animals.

WSPA is calling on our supporters to add their name to a global petition which asks the International Whaling Commission (IWC) to shift its attention to whales - not whaling.

The IWC, which manages whale populations worldwide, could then devote its time to protecting whales and encouraging whale watching rather than focusing on allocating kill quotas to whaling nations.

Thousands of whales will be slaughtered this year alone, and many will endure slow and painful deaths. So please, make your voice heard for whales today.

You can find out more about the cruelty of whaling and sign the petition here.


Kind regards


Margaret West
Regional Director
WSPA Australia and New Zealand

Do they have a list of resturants where one may actually sample said whale?

I've heard when served frozen with teriyaki sauce, you put it in your mouth and let it dissolve with the result being absolutely amazing. I would seriously love to try it. Now, I know this is a anti-whaling wah wah thread and all, but haven't you wondered even for a second, that if the Japanese will go to such efforts to hunt them, and go through so much negative international pressure, that it must be one seriously delicious piece of meat.

I simply must try it before I die.

i agree with noddy, i would definitely eat it if i had the opportunity. i may not necessarily agree with the killing, but they have already killed it so i might as well eat it. id rather eat it than let it go to waste, then the poor whale's death would have been for nothing.

 

OK so for those not wanting to try Whale meat, sign the fucking petition!

 

I view whaling like a vagina. Even if the blood that comes out is a little off putting, it's in man's nature to harpoon it - and god dammit, just try and stop me from eating it!

I view whaling like a vagina. Even if the blood that comes out is a little off putting, it's in man's nature to harpoon it - and god dammit, just try and stop me from eating it!

*shakes fist* Joshua get your filfth out of my advocacy thread!! 

*shakes fist* Joshua get your filfth out of my advocacy thread!! 

Okay, I'll keep this thread about whales then.

Show me your minke and I'll show you my sperm!

 

DGAF, australia is comparatively responsible for the deaths of more whales than japan is anyway.

khem & josh - i havent tried it myself, but apparently it tastes pretty grim. be happy we have good cheap beef and those suckers try and pretend whale is ace.
delicacy schmelicacy

I've heard the whale bacon is pretty rough, but the frozen whale is like the greatest steak you've ever eaten.

I wouldn't hesitate for a second if I had the chance to eat it.

I've heard the whale bacon is pretty rough, but the frozen whale is like the greatest steak you've ever eaten.

I wouldn't hesitate for a second if I had the chance to eat it.

maybe head out off of victor harbour during the whale watching season... http://www.victor.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=437

Show me your minke and I'll show you my sperm!

Whale meat is delicious because it has lots of fat in it. I am against whaling myself but I when go to Japan (it will happen someday) I will definitely try whale sashimi, amongst many other of their delicacies. (Such as horse sashimi and live baby prawn sashimi)

live baby prawn sashimi

  that sounds pretty good. Eating anything while it's still alive is awesome.

We should be able to sample that here somehow no?

I view whaling like a vagina. Even if the blood that comes out is a little off putting, it's in man's nature to harpoon it - and god dammit, just try and stop me from eating it!

ahahahahahaha 

ahahahahahaha  :shake:

There's a place in the North Atlantic called the Faroe Islands, and they harvest whales there in a semi-ritual fashion, much bloodier and brutal than the way the Japanese do it.

Difference is Faroe has 50,000 people, where Japan has 127.4 million people, so there's less demand for the whale meat.

So if you want to eat whale and not pay ridiculous prices, head to Faroe Islands.

It's rare to find a place that serves that shit.

It's not a common meal in Japan at all, in terms of % of Japanese people who have actually tried it I'd say it's pretty much like Crocodile & Emu over here.

http://www.kujiraya.co.jp/ Is a place which is famous for dishing up whale treats.

In terms of price, its up there with Prime Wyagu Beef cuts. In terms of flavour/texture it's more akin to fatty beef/pork.

If you want to eat live sashimi shiz check this out (In Korea though):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7b8klyFWxXI

A shorter 1st person perspective:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SBimntriCLM

I reckon it'd be better if they let the buggers self marinade by swimming in tank of soy & sashimi for a bit :P

It's also pretty ironic that we in Australia pretty much lead the world in live export animal cruelty and yet we QQ about some a couple of shamoo's that get the rough end of the harpoon... @_@

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200710/r190829_717761.asx

Also Pro-whaling people are using anti-whaling protesters actions to paint a pretty damaging picture of Australia as well:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=k8GbA7fu48E
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sW1PUJj1nCo

Whale meat is delicious because it has lots of fat in it. I am against whaling myself but I when go to Japan (it will happen someday) I will definitely try whale sashimi, amongst many other of their delicacies. (Such as horse sashimi and live baby prawn sashimi)

apparently they dont advertise that the meat they are serve in school cafes and the like, in japan, is actually whale! i have heard a few reports saying that the hunting of whales by the japanese government is actually quite hush hush in japan.

the whole thing about this debate is, the japanese STILL CLAIM its for 'scientific purposes' (which we know its not) and that is just a plain affront to the rest of the world! why dont they just come out and admit that a few people in government love the idea of harpooning the things!

jayar, where does it say that australia is responsible for more whale deaths than japan?

Good point Anna. Second to that, stop talking about eating whales and sign the fucking petition 

Good point Anna. Second to that, stop talking about eating whales and sign the fucking petition 

You know what?

If Whales dont want to be eaten then they should fucking evolve, grow legs and teeth and starting fighting back.

Why should it be up to us to fight their fights for them?

Pfft

You know what?

If Whales dont want to be eaten then they should fucking evolve, grow legs and teeth and starting fighting back.

Why should it be up to us to fight their fights for them?

Pfft

Shut up John

(xo)

Go John! Speaking truth yet again.

It's rare to find a place that serves that shit.

It's not a common meal in Japan at all, in terms of % of Japanese people who have actually tried it I'd say it's pretty much like Crocodile & Emu over here.

I've tried emu and crocodile(neither were all that great) but the idea of letting frozen whale meat disolve in my mouth or 'marinadeing' live prawns is fucking horid! I mean really what kind of sick fetish are you satisfying by letting some critter die in your mouth? I understand that some poor cow gets slaughtered everytime i feel like a roast beef but there's a big difference between that and chewing off its legs while its still alive!!!!

Good point Anna. Second to that, stop talking about eating whales and sign the fucking petition 

Cant you see we need your help in this thread Lexy? :

Fat chance!!

I've tried emu and crocodile(neither were all that great) but the idea of letting frozen whale meat disolve in my mouth or 'marinadeing' live prawns is fucking horid! I mean really what kind of sick fetish are you satisfying by letting some critter die in your mouth? I understand that some poor cow gets slaughtered everytime i feel like a roast beef but there's a big difference between that and chewing off its legs while its still alive!!!!

There is a huge difference between eating live bovine (leg) and eating live baby prawns which have been first dunked in sake, rolled in maki sushi then dipped in soya sauce and wasabi.

 



Dont make me come after you LD!!

jayar, where does it say that australia is responsible for more whale deaths than japan?

i remember reading in some scientific journal years ago saying because australia is the most polluting country in the world per capita and contributing to climate change more than anyone else, we are killing off the plankton that whales eat and causing more global deaths to whales than the japanese.

so we're hypocrites 

Norway also catch whales, although they take their commercial catch from a single species, they are still catching a similar number of whales per annum and they don't even claim it's for scientific purposes.

There are other countries catching whales (albeit on a smaller scale) so until all whaling is stopped (which will never happen imo) there won't be an easy solution to the whaling issue.

look, i think most people here dont have too much of an issue with whale hunting perse// its just the fact the japanese DON'T obey current legislation, and are hunting endangered species! Also, they claim it is 'scientific' yet noone has seen a piece of research come from it!

the norwegians are hunting sustainably. thats cool. but the japanese aren't.

i have just as much a problem as se asian fishermen taking huge amounts of fish illegally, depleting important fish stocks!! which is why I dont buy anything that isn't australian-caught, never mind how cheap the imports can be... cause at least our industry is regulated.

Perhaps RATM can make a speech about the unlegislated culling of whales at their next gig.

KILLING IN THE NAME OF! scientific research

Perhaps RATM can make a speech about the unlegislated culling of whales at their next gig.

KILLING IN THE NAME OF! scientific research

 

Whaling...Is it really a necessity?


Unwanted whale meat stockpile grows

JAPAN's whalers are going broke and have been forced to slash prices because no one wants to eat their growing mountain of whale meat. The farcical truth of Japan's whaling industry was exposed yesterday by Japanese media reports that the Institute for Cetacean Research is struggling to repay $37 million in government subsidies. The report came as Japanese embassy officials made a stern protest in Canberra over the Federal Government's release of shocking whaling photographs. The ICR, responsible for Japan's lethal "research operation", is flooding Japan with cheap whale meat that it cannot sell, according to the reports in respected newspaper Asahi Shimbun.

Meat and other parts of whales killed during ICR "scientific research" in the Southern Ocean is sold to a private fisheries company Kyodo Senpaku, which manages the sale of whale meat in the Japanese market. But while ICR has consistently increased the number of whales it kills – by 30 per cent between 2005 and 2006 – there has been no rise in domestic demand for whale meat or products.

Greenpeace Australia Pacific whales campaign director Rob Nicholl said the losses were further proof that there was no market for whale meat in Japan. "It's standard economics. There is an oversupply. They've had to reduce the price but they still can't get rid of the stuff," he said. Japan has consistently argued a case for scientific whaling and last week accused the Government and Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade of "misleading" the public by releasing photographs of the slaughter of whales in the Southern Ocean. A DFAT spokesman said, while the photographs were "disturbing, they were in no sense misleading".

If the Japanese turned around and investigated our live-sheep export industry then they could probably get us to shut the hell up about all this whaling stuff. I agree they should stop killing anything that is endangered but apart from that we really can't be 'telling them off'.

Yakuza gets heavy over whaling

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23208876-5007132,00.html

JAPANESE "Yakuza" gangsters have launched a campaign of intimidation to force a media blackout on the furore surrounding the country's killing of dolphins and whales, it was claimed yesterday.

From the WSPA newsletter:



Each year millions of farm animals are transported across the world for slaughter. 
 
Sheep sent to the Middle East by sea are crammed in pens holding around three sheep per square metre and little room to move. The journey can take up to three weeks. On the way they'll suffer from stress, heat exhaustion and extreme temperatures.

Many don't eat, are injured or suffer from disease. Tens of thousands will die on the way each year.

Those that reach their destination are regularly transported in car boots in extreme temperatures before being handled and slaughtered in the most barbaric way.

There is no need for this cruelty.

Australia already exports chilled meat from animals that have been humanely transported and slaughtered in Australia.

For more information or to find out how you can help visit: http://www.handlewithcare.org.au/?p=2

They should use these - much less barbaric.

I view whaling like a vagina. Even if the blood that comes out is a little off putting, it's in man's nature to harpoon it - and god dammit, just try and stop me from eating it!

baaaaaaaaahahhahahaha omfg. you got an answer for everything. you are nasty.

on the other hand im all against animal cruelty. hence doing a course at tafe with animals. i respect them more than people most of the time. 

Nobody wants a whale burger

THE deafening chorus of Australia's opposition to Antarctic whaling has been heard by Japanese politicians with the handover of The Daily Telegraph-Today Show's people power petition.

The presentation of the petition immediately gained an important concession when the Democratic Party of Japan admitted there was little market for whale meat and whaling was damaging Japan's international reputation.

The Daily Telegraph, along with Today Show host Karl Stefanovic and Teens Against Whaling campaigner Skye Bortoli, delivered the petition to the DPJ's Upper House Agriculture, Forestries and Fisheries committee at Tokyo's Diet building on Friday.

"We are here to present you with 131,965 signatures," Ms Bortoli told Nobutaka Tsutsui, director of the DPJ's fisheries and agriculture committee.

"We hope you will reconsider your position on whaling".

Accepting the petition, a victory in itself – because past international efforts have been rejected out of hand – Mr Tsutsui said: "Our stance is not the same as yours but we are willing to consider the issue seriously."

With the formal handover complete, the DPJ members launched a fiery debate with The Daily Telegraph and Today Show team, agreeing the time had come to talk straight with representatives from the Australian public.

Mr Tsutsui then called an immediate DPJ committee meeting on whaling.

Citing cultural traditions and food security concerns, the 10-strong DPJ committee said they supported commercial whaling in the high seas – that is Antarctica – and in coastal Japanese waters.

But in a major concession, they also admitted the market for whale meat was not viable and that Japan's international reputation was at stake.

Ms Bortoli, 15, said the meeting was a sign of genuine change in the air.

"Just the fact that they agreed to meet us is a huge step," she said.

Greenpeace Japan's whale project leader, Junichi Sato, also said the party agreeing to discussion was significant.

"It's a big step that they have even opened up this window for discussion," Mr Sato said.

"They are prepared to hear the voice from Australia, which I think is really important."

The DPJ is Japan's leading opposition party and won a historic victory in July last year when they secured power in the Diet (upper house) with the chance of taking power from the Liberal Democratic Party for the first time in 55 years at upcoming general elections.

Japan's determination to pursue whaling has caused global anger.

 

Nobody wants a whale burger

better get to japan before they stop the 'research' then!

131,965 signatures

That's such a shitty amount of signatures... It's 0.001% of the population of Japan.

In other words, statistically, there's more people who are married to their mothers than there are who want to ban whaling.

I would have laughed at it and told them to come back when it had reached at least one percent...

still, its signatures. and it seems that they cant get the japanese to eat the whale meat either, they are making schools serve it to kids to try n get a younger generation interested in eating it...! apparently there is a 3000 tonne surplus of meat...!

apparently there is a 3000 tonne surplus of meat...!

They should send it to Africa.

Whale Burgers for the poor!

One million signatures!

The Animals Matter petition for a Universal Declaration on Animal Welfare at the United Nations has just achieved more than one million signatures.

This brings us closer to a Declaration that animals matter, can feel pain and experience suffering. And that all of us - from individuals to governments - have a responsibility to put an end to cruelty around the world.   
Costa Rican President Oscar Arias Sanchez

Both the Australian & New Zealand governments have appointed representatives to liaise on this issue at the UN in New York to help integrate animal welfare into the UN agenda. This is another great step forward towards a Declaration that will help protect all animals, everywhere.

If you haven't yet signed the Animals Matter petition you can do so here:

http://www.wspa.org.au/animalsmatter/LP_WSPA_un.asp

That's such a shitty amount of signatures... It's 0.001% of the population of Japan.

In other words, statistically, there's more people who are married to their mothers than there are who want to ban whaling.

J, i take it maths isnt your strong point? you got it wrong by a factor of roughly 100.

its 0.1% of the population. unless japans population has suddenly surged to 13-odd billion.
i had no idea 130,000 japanese were married to thier mothers. dirty fuckers...

Yeah, I forgot to move the decimal point.

One million signatures!

The Animals Matter petition for a Universal Declaration on Animal Welfare at the United Nations has just achieved more than one million signatures.

This brings us closer to a Declaration that animals matter, can feel pain and experience suffering. And that all of us - from individuals to governments - have a responsibility to put an end to cruelty around the world.   
Costa Rican President Oscar Arias Sanchez

Both the Australian & New Zealand governments have appointed representatives to liaise on this issue at the UN in New York to help integrate animal welfare into the UN agenda. This is another great step forward towards a Declaration that will help protect all animals, everywhere.

If you haven't yet signed the Animals Matter petition you can do so here:

http://www.wspa.org.au/animalsmatter/LP_WSPA_un.asp

Signed.

They should send it to Africa.

Whale Burgers for the poor!

That's really not such a bad idea. I wonder why it hasn't been suggested? It'd improve their relations with African states, it'd make them look less "evil", and the meat wouldn't go to waste!

I'd love to see the Aussie response to a move like that!

i'd still like to see some proof of their "scientific research" in reputable, scientific journal format. Until that happens, the japanese are just hunting for sport/some outdated ideas on hunting, imo.

altho it seems one of the reasons they are being such massive pains about fishing in the southern seas, is so they get their 'traditional' fishing/whaling rights re-instated for waters around japan, which the IWC took away a few years back. A recent article on the japanese whaling seemed to imply that it would be one way of getting on the IWC's nerves, and put pressure on other countries to let them hunt closer to home, anyways.

One million signatures!

The Animals Matter petition for a Universal Declaration on Animal Welfare at the United Nations has just achieved more than one million signatures.

This brings us closer to a Declaration that animals matter, can feel pain and experience suffering. And that all of us - from individuals to governments - have a responsibility to put an end to cruelty around the world.   
Costa Rican President Oscar Arias Sanchez

Both the Australian & New Zealand governments have appointed representatives to liaise on this issue at the UN in New York to help integrate animal welfare into the UN agenda. This is another great step forward towards a Declaration that will help protect all animals, everywhere.

If you haven't yet signed the Animals Matter petition you can do so here:

http://www.wspa.org.au/animalsmatter/LP_WSPA_un.asp

That is undoubtedly the most ambiguous petition of all time. Of course animals matter, but what concrete international law changes are they seeking from the declaration? It would be appreciated if they took some time to go into detail about what isn't specifically covered in international law as yet, and what they would like to see come about. Even if all their only goal is to force a UN think tank on the matter at least mention it as a goal. This petition just doesn't have any clear goals, and for what I am assuming it is attempting to do, clarity, concision and strength of approach is the least to expect.

i'd still like to see some proof of their "scientific research" in reputable, scientific journal format.

I saw a doco on this and apparently some of their studies were scientifically sound....  the theories, methods and findings of hundreds of research reports were assessed for scientific validity and about six reports were valid and relevant!

only 6 from 100??!!

Not just 100, hundreds.

I think it was over 500 but could have been a lot more than that!

Even if the research methods could have been proven valid, most of the research topics were soooo irrelevant that there is no reason why discovering the answer would benefit anyone.... stuff like they need to kill 300 whales and disect their brains to test whether a whale is dumber than a hamster 

i reckon whales should be included in the list of animals which is protected by animal ethics boards, like in labs...before an animal can be tested on, the lab needs to prove that the research cant be done by ANY OTHER means!!!! shit like that is just STOOPID.

altho it seems one of the reasons they are being such massive pains about fishing in the southern seas, is so they get their 'traditional' fishing/whaling rights re-instated for waters around japan, which the IWC took away a few years back. A recent article on the japanese whaling seemed to imply that it would be one way of getting on the IWC's nerves, and put pressure on other countries to let them hunt closer to home, anyways.

I thought one of the main reasons they were whaling so far from home was because there weren't enough whales locally. Maybe I'm wrong but I seem to recall reading that somewhere.


As for pushing for international "laws" to protect animals. What we have is enough. The problem isn't a lack of laws it's a lack of enforcement and the fact that so many countries ignore them.

The laws we have can't even protect our own species (humans) from genocide and the nasty shit which continues to take place all over the world - what hope have we got of protecting some animals.

yeah, what i am saying is that the japanese seem to intentionally be pissing everyone else off, fishing illegally in international waters, so the IWC give em back their hunting grounds around japan to get them out of everyone's hair. imo, anyways!

i agree to a point, oli, about protecting humans first n foremost... but even so, a lot CAN be done by putting pressure on pharmaceutical companies, research institiutes etc (which is applied via governments, which want to do deals with the un etc)...there is hope, its not like we should just stop trying to do some good in the world.

and the way i see it, if people can treat animals and other things less able than themselves, with respect and kindness, then it means that they might show a bit more respect for their fellow human being too.

yeah, what i am saying is that the japanese seem to intentionally be pissing everyone else off, fishing illegally in international waters, so the IWC give em back their hunting grounds around japan to get them out of everyone's hair. imo, anyways!

Well if what I recall reading is correct then they (the Japanese) probably don't want their local area back since it won't be as useful to them. Besides, Australia and NZ are primarily making a big deal because it's so close to home. If the Japanese were able to hunt close to home I doubt very much that our government would care so much. So if the IWC did "give back" their local grounds (not like the IWC means much to the Japanese anyway) then Japan wouldn't be happy, Australian government might be happy, NZ government might be happy, anti-whalers would still be pissed, and a few more whales in this area might survive but on the other hand if they're up north they'll still get killed. Hardly looks like a solution that would work in the long term.

i agree to a point, oli, about protecting humans first n foremost... but even so, a lot CAN be done by putting pressure on pharmaceutical companies, research institiutes etc (which is applied via governments, which want to do deals with the un etc)...there is hope, its not like we should just stop trying to do some good in the world.

Yes I agree that we can't just ignore all the other bad things that go on if they don't directly threaten humans. My point was we already have layers and layers of these organisations to do good things, but so many of them don't work effectively already so yet another "Animals Matter" type organisation isn't going to do shit. I hate to say it like this but I am trying to be realistic.

and the way i see it, if people can treat animals and other things less able than themselves, with respect and kindness, then it means that they might show a bit more respect for their fellow human being too.

Well the Japanese have done a great job of showing respect and kindness to humans the world over for the past 60 years (more so than most other countries) so I am not sure how useful this theory is in their case.

no my last point was a separate matter to the whaling, directly, it was more about lab testing of animals n the like. so please dont mix it

OK. I don't really know anything about lab testing of animals so I can't comment on that area.

was a bit off topic, my apologies

Doesn't matter. At the end of the day Australians of all countries starting a Animals Matter type movement is a load of hypocritical crap anyway. What they really mean is "Whales Matter", after all our live sheep export industry proves we can't say that all animals matter.

Sure - whales look cooler and are more majestic and amazing than sheep, but if you're going to hassle other countries about animal rights issues (or any issues for that matter) take a look in your own back yard first...

Doesn't matter. At the end of the day Australians of all countries starting a Animals Matter type movement is a load of hypocritical crap anyway. What they really mean is "Whales Matter", after all our live sheep export industry proves we can't say that all animals matter.

Sure - whales look cooler and are more majestic and amazing than sheep, but if you're going to hassle other countries about animal rights issues (or any issues for that matter) take a look in your own back yard first...

Agree 100%.

i'd agree with that too

i normally have no opinion on this.. BUT... one thing that i will say, Whales aren't exactly in the same supply as sheep.... prospects of them breeding - keeping stable numbers whilst we kill them for food is Nil compared to sheep.

I will agree with you, as long as its something that we're looking at becoming extinct in aus, thats the issue is it not? the day sheep become extinct, i'll fuck the last dead carcass 

Well some whale types are certainly different to sheep, in that they are endangered. I'm completely against the Japanese killing whales that are regarded as endangered, just like everyone else.

I just think having a huge go at them and sending our navy out (we pay for this remember) to make some movies is retarded. I read recently that by far the majority of the whales being killed are not endangered at all.

Perhaps we need to make a deal with the Japanese and say we'll leave them alone to whale the non-endangered whales, as long as they can make it sustainable in the same way we have done with sheep. Interfering or hassling them anymore than that about the whole issue is just a joke and a waste of our money as far as I am concerned.

i make free stickers at work for wspa im doing my bit

I eat animals on a daily basis so their slaughter isn't in vain.

I ate a fish tonight for dinner (whiting). Tasted bloody good as well!

mm love freshly caught, crumbed whiting

animals are tasty

just kill them friendly-like 

Help end the cruel 'sport' of bear baiting

A terrified and traumatised bear is dragged into a ring by a rope that has been crudely forced through her highly sensitive muzzle with a needle. Filled with fear, she knows what is about to happen to her but, tied to a post in the ground, all she can do is struggle and cry out in pain.

Suddenly a pair of dogs are set upon her, attacking her face and snout. Desperate to stop the pain she opens her mouth to bite and swipes at the dogs with her paws, all in vain.

Her teeth have been removed and her claws blunted - so her attempts to defend herself are useless. Again and again the dogs lunge at her throat and nose, opening fresh wounds until her strength and energy are all taken from the relentless onslaught.

Just as it looks like the fight will become fatal, it is stopped. Yet this is only to give the exhausted bear just enough time to recover before she’s taken back into the ring to face the dogs again. Unbelievably some bears are forced into this cruel contest up to 13 times a day.

In-between fights, life doesn’t get any better for an animal that is solitary by nature and would roam up to 20km a day in the wild. She’s tied to a post by a short rope and left, in her thick fur, in the scorching sun. Most bears used in these terrible contests exist on a painfully inadequate diet and insufficient water to drink. This means their injured, overheated bodies and open, infected wounds are never likely to heal.

The dogs too are often injured in the fights as the desperate bears struggle to defend themselves. It’s a fight that no animal can win.

Your support is helping make real progress to end cruelty to animals like the bears trapped in this horrendous ’sport’. Together with our local partner Wildlife Society of Pakistan we have identified and put a stop to more bear baiting events than ever before. Our most recent figures show that more than 150 events have been identified with 75% of the events being stopped. Yet many fights still take place and even one fight a year would be one fight too many for these noble and majestic bears. We cannot give up until this cruel practice ends.

We need to put a stop to end the injury and torment of bears used in these brutal events which sadly continue.

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http://www.wspa.org.au/appeal.asp

that is fucking disgusting.

What the fuck is wrong with some people, really?!?!

*shakes head*

noble and majestic bears.

There not so noble and majestic when they are brutalising you though.

There not so noble and majestic when they are brutalising you though.

There not so noble and majestic when they are brutalising you though.

So let them live in wildlife reserves so that this isn't possible... That's like saying sharks aren't amazing creatures when you are in their jaws. Well duh...

Probably should have added the 

So let them live in wildlife reserves so that this isn't possible... That's like saying sharks aren't amazing creatures when you are in their jaws. Well duh...

Probably should have added the  :E

There is a place of refuge for these beautiful creatures, but now it too needs saving.

There is something so tragic about a baby orangutan sitting alone on the rainforest floor. Too scared to even move. Her mother nowhere in sight. The tragedy lies in this baby's chance of survival if left without help.

For every orphaned orangutan that lives through such an ordeal, there are on average three mothers and two infants who have perished. It is vital those fortunate enough to survive are given the care they need to one day return to a remote part of the forest where they belong. Safe. Protected. Home.

Run by Borneo Orangutan Survival (BOS), the Nyaru Menteng Rescue and Rehabilitation Centre is the largest primate sanctuary in the world - and a lifeline for the many hundreds of orphaned, injured and abused orangutans who call it home.

With ninety per cent of their natural habitat gone, the threats orangutans face now, and in the future, are terrifying.

Machete attacks on orangutans are common and often fatal for the adults, leaving orphaned infants alive and traumatised. Sadly, some are captured and sold into the pet trade experiencing poor care, disease, injury and psychological trauma which all take their toll on these poor creatures. Many can expect a life of beatings, solitude, confinement and malnutrition.

Amidst this suffering there is hope. Last year, you helped save the Nyaru Menteng Sanctuary from imminent closure. We now need your help to keep it open and running so it can continue its life saving work for orphaned and injured orangutans, and teach them the independence they need to one day return to the wild where they rightfully belong.

Without additional funding, the sanctuary still risks closure. Orangutans could be handed over to the local government for a life of confinement with no prospect of release. Caged and uncared for, we could lose an entire orangutan generation.

Your support will mean orangutans have a safe haven in Nyaru Menteng - and a future free from violence, persecution and neglect.

You'll be helping to provide urgent medical care for the many orangutans arriving at the sanctuary injured and malnourished. You'll be helping with rehabilitation beginning with several years of intensive socialisation, and learning survival skills like climbing and building. Ultimately, your support will be vital in helping these orangutans reach freedom in secure areas of rainforest.

That's why your donation is so crucial. Together, we can continue Nyaru Menteng's rescue and rehabilitation work and safeguard the future of the sanctuary, and its orangutans.

    * $30 could provide a life-saving dose of anti-malarial medication for one orangutan
    * $60 could give one orangutan food, medical care and shelter for a week
    * $125 could provide milk to seven baby orangutans for two weeks
    * $250 could pay for the care of one orangutan for one month
    * $500 could help pay for the rescue and transport of vulnerable orangutans
    * $1,300 could pay for the care of one orangutan for six months
    * $5,000 could buy an acre of forest to provide a safe home for the orangutans for life
    * $10,000 could help cover the cost of the rehabilitation programme

With your help, we can ensure Nyaru Menteng will always be there for orangutans whose lives depend on it today, and in years to come. So please make an urgent donation today to help give these wonderful animals the second chance they truly deserve.

https://www.wspa.org.au/campaigns/orangutan_bos/index.asp?ID=A0808E01

love organgutans. They remind me of me

we've adopted a gorgeous little orangutan at work called Vanessa!  she's awesome!

We can rant and rave and say "Save this" and "Save that" as much as we like... are people actually doing anything about it? Donating to the WSPA or WWF or RSPCA or any of it?

I must say that I think PETA are nutjobs. Their basic principle is a good one, that of saving animals etc. However the way they go about it (Apart from those nude celeb pics they take) isn't helping all that much. Throwing red paint on someone if they wear fur is just going to piss them off. Creating a massive slagfest over someone eating meat isn't going to stop them doing it. They need structured and constructive ways of helping to change fur wearing people's views.

BTW if someone told me to stop eating meat with out a damned fine reason, such as: "you will die if you eat that," I'd probably shove a chop down their throat. I come from a Sheep/grain farm and we'd slaughter our own sheep every now and then. We needed food, sheep are food. We then used the wool as well.

We can rant and rave and say "Save this" and "Save that" as much as we like... are people actually doing anything about it? Donating to the WSPA or WWF or RSPCA or any of it?

I must say that I think PETA are nutjobs.

I donate every month, direct debit straight out of my bank account 

I dont believe in talking the talk and not walking the walk!

Good stuff!

I must say that I think PETA are nutjobs.

True, but the RSPCA piss me off too! The bastards refused to come and collect a litter of diseased kittens that were dumped outside our house, so they were making those poor animals suffer rather than helping them! And the RSPCA approved label on eggs meaningless because the companies just pay to use it.

I donate every month, direct debit straight out of my bank account 

I dont believe in talking the talk and not walking the walk!

"I'm on detox!"

*lights cigarette*

I must say that I think PETA are nutjobs.

They are complete morons.

you're not donating to them are you Bec? If so, you should send your money elsewhere imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

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There is a place of refuge for these beautiful creatures, but now it too needs saving.

There is something so tragic about a baby orangutan sitting alone on the rainforest floor. Too scared to even move. Her mother nowhere in sight. The tragedy lies in this baby's chance of survival if left without help.

For every orphaned orangutan that lives through such an ordeal, there are on average three mothers and two infants who have perished. It is vital those fortunate enough to survive are given the care they need to one day return to a remote part of the forest where they belong. Safe. Protected. Home.

Run by Borneo Orangutan Survival (BOS), the Nyaru Menteng Rescue and Rehabilitation Centre is the largest primate sanctuary in the world - and a lifeline for the many hundreds of orphaned, injured and abused orangutans who call it home.

With ninety per cent of their natural habitat gone, the threats orangutans face now, and in the future, are terrifying.

Machete attacks on orangutans are common and often fatal for the adults, leaving orphaned infants alive and traumatised. Sadly, some are captured and sold into the pet trade experiencing poor care, disease, injury and psychological trauma which all take their toll on these poor creatures. Many can expect a life of beatings, solitude, confinement and malnutrition.

Amidst this suffering there is hope. Last year, you helped save the Nyaru Menteng Sanctuary from imminent closure. We now need your help to keep it open and running so it can continue its life saving work for orphaned and injured orangutans, and teach them the independence they need to one day return to the wild where they rightfully belong.

Without additional funding, the sanctuary still risks closure. Orangutans could be handed over to the local government for a life of confinement with no prospect of release. Caged and uncared for, we could lose an entire orangutan generation.

Your support will mean orangutans have a safe haven in Nyaru Menteng - and a future free from violence, persecution and neglect.

You'll be helping to provide urgent medical care for the many orangutans arriving at the sanctuary injured and malnourished. You'll be helping with rehabilitation beginning with several years of intensive socialisation, and learning survival skills like climbing and building. Ultimately, your support will be vital in helping these orangutans reach freedom in secure areas of rainforest.

That's why your donation is so crucial. Together, we can continue Nyaru Menteng's rescue and rehabilitation work and safeguard the future of the sanctuary, and its orangutans.

    * $30 could provide a life-saving dose of anti-malarial medication for one orangutan
    * $60 could give one orangutan food, medical care and shelter for a week
    * $125 could provide milk to seven baby orangutans for two weeks
    * $250 could pay for the care of one orangutan for one month
    * $500 could help pay for the rescue and transport of vulnerable orangutans
    * $1,300 could pay for the care of one orangutan for six months
    * $5,000 could buy an acre of forest to provide a safe home for the orangutans for life
    * $10,000 could help cover the cost of the rehabilitation programme

With your help, we can ensure Nyaru Menteng will always be there for orangutans whose lives depend on it today, and in years to come. So please make an urgent donation today to help give these wonderful animals the second chance they truly deserve.

https://www.wspa.org.au/campaigns/orangutan_bos/index.asp?ID=A0808E01

True, but the RSPCA piss me off too! The bastards refused to come and collect a litter of diseased kittens that were dumped outside our house, so they were making those poor animals suffer rather than helping them! And the RSPCA approved label on eggs meaningless because the companies just pay to use it.

Take 'em out the back and shoot 'em. 

i don't donate to animal welfare i used to donate to oxfam but to be really honest it was mostly because it was tax deductable.

"I'm on detox!"

*lights cigarette*

 

*except when it comes to my health* 

And no i dont donate to PETA i dontate to WSPA, and i dont donate to the RSPCA, thats awfeul they wouldnt pick up those kittens!! What did you do?

We can rant and rave and say "Save this" and "Save that" as much as we like... are people actually doing anything about it? Donating to the WSPA or WWF or RSPCA or any of it?

I must say that I think PETA are nutjobs. Their basic principle is a good one, that of saving animals etc. However the way they go about it (Apart from those nude celeb pics they take) isn't helping all that much. Throwing red paint on someone if they wear fur is just going to piss them off. Creating a massive slagfest over someone eating meat isn't going to stop them doing it. They need structured and constructive ways of helping to change fur wearing people's views.

BTW if someone told me to stop eating meat with out a damned fine reason, such as: "you will die if you eat that," I'd probably shove a chop down their throat. I come from a Sheep/grain farm and we'd slaughter our own sheep every now and then. We needed food, sheep are food. We then used the wool as well.

I donate every month, direct debit straight out of my bank account  :)

I dont believe in talking the talk and not walking the walk!

Good stuff!

True, but the RSPCA piss me off too! The bastards refused to come and collect a litter of diseased kittens that were dumped outside our house, so they were making those poor animals suffer rather than helping them! And the RSPCA approved label on eggs meaningless because the companies just pay to use it.

"I'm on detox!"

*lights cigarette*

They are complete morons.

you're not donating to them are you Bec? If so, you should send your money elsewhere imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

Take 'em out the back and shoot 'em.  :E

 :lol:

*except when it comes to my health*  :E

And no i dont donate to PETA i dontate to WSPA, and i dont donate to the RSPCA, thats awfeul they wouldnt pick up those kittens!! What did you do???

Aren't most charities tax deductable? I mean, I donate to Medicines Sans Frontieres, I always thought it was deductable.

yeah i meant my donating in general

I cried because we didn't have a car so we couldn't do anything, but later the neighbours came home and they took the kittens to the RSPCA because they had a car  :)

When I called the RSPCA they were fine about picking them up until I said the kittens were on the median strip outside our house and not at our house! Apparently they only pick up animals from peoples houses... I would have taken them to our house to be collected except I had cats and didn't want to infect them!

Fucking kitten dumping bastards should be shot!

That's awful, ive only ever found one stray kitten, it was a Burmese and had the cat flu, it died but at least we nursed it and it died in comfort, the RSPCA said they'd put it down but wouldnt give it any medication and we'd have to pay. I dont understand how people can be so awful, i love kittens!! 

Yes that truely is sad.

I hope that if anything ever happened to my cat and it got lost & sick & someone found her, they would do the best they could to help her.

Place Cat in Bag
Attach bag to exhaust pipe
Start Engine

So you don't have to wait, here's one I prepared earlier.....

:lol:

Im comfortable with my contradictive personality  :hehe:

*eats force fed chicken*  :E

 :lol:

there it is again, 'jerk' 

futurama is back on.

bender is on the mind.

now THATS a catchy thread title

im waiting for 'butt head' ala back to the future now.
so 80s

sorry bec

 

Peta's Cooking Mama: Mama Kills Animals game

http://www.peta.org/cooking-mama/index.asp

Which brings me to my next point:

If it wasn't for capitalism, PETA wouldn't exist.

If people weren't dispossessed from their lands during the industrial revolution, if we still lived in small farm groups and lived off the land, there wouldn't be any vegetarians, and the idea that it's cruel to eat animals wouldn't exist.

So next time you want to go off about PETA and vegetarians, unless you're prepared to smash the State, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

lol
interesting fact i read the other day:
the japanese were all vegetarians (apart from fish) until they opened their borders in the 19th century - the idea of eating meat was basically new to them at that point.

Wow, they cook it better than most Western cultures too IMO

Maybe their cows aren't used to having to run away, that's why they're so well marbled?



*note to self - try cow from India.

no wonder why they're so short.

Someone just tried that in Mumbai man, look what happened...

Edit: Too soon?

the idea of eating KFC >>>>>>>>> actually eating KFC

incorrect

should i have said IMO or is my opinion wrong? there should be no need to say IMO anyway... its always IYO

the kfc has been consistently awesome over here

(IMO)

Seems more like an ex sample of human impact destroying the environment to the point where species we don't even hunt are dieing out after surviving for quite some time on one specific type of bamboo! 

This thread really makes me want KFC.

Pretty sure they never used to have cows before they 'opened' (read: forced to open) their borders. I might be wrong though. Maybe they just had milk cows?

lets hope its the hot, younger female variety of protestors.

Will Bec put her money where her mouth is?

 That's exactly what I was thinking.

 How they survived so long is by evolving intricately to adapt to their environment. 

 

Eating KFC at the moment, for tortured animals they sure do taste good!

Just ate me a Ham and salad sandwich. I love Christmas for all the leg ham that's freshly cut from the bone.
Which makes me think. There are literally millions of hams which are sold... Pigs have only 4 legs... how many pigs are slaughtered about 6 months ago? Did some survive and have peg-legs?

Figured Bec would appreciate this.

We just killed our 20 chooks because they weren't laying that well anymore. Hope the new ones coming tonight are more productive or they'll meet the same fate.

 You should line up the dead chickens and take the new ones past them on the way as a message.

I'm sure they'll smell their burning corpses in the incinerator tonight which is next to the chook yard.

Otherwise I should have filmed the slaughter and put it on the poultry internet. Two hands, one neck would have been hugely popular on there.

Ya shoulda left one alive so she could teel the tale to all the new chooks about how her sisters went on strike and got the chop

 

You should have made chicken pie!

dunno if you can eat chooks that are laying chooks? they might be real tough

If you cook something long and slow enough in stock or somesuch... it should be fine. 

And back to the cooking again 

i wondered why they weren't eaten, seems like such a waste, there are third world children out there that would have loved them chickens 

 


Yes like rabbit stew. oh yeh tasty with stock and lots of carrots

So you didnt even eat em Josh?
Not even one or two of thems tasty chickens?

MMMM finely plucked and gutted chicken cooked in an oven with tasty seasoning and some tasty potaties on the side.

yum! I might make Chicken kievs for dinner tonite

Sorry!

Easier just to burn them.

I was worn out from breaking all those necks. Last thing I felt like doing was plucking and gutting them. Plus we hadn't injected anywhere near enough chemicals into them to get any decent meat off em.

Do KFC chickens get roid rage?

you can get angry whoppers atm, maybe kfc should run something similar.

I wish they would up the steroid intake in Thailand, the Zinger fillets here are like eating a flat pancake consisting mostly of coating. The chicken pieces aren't much better.

They just introduced a new cheese coated variety here. Think burnt parmesan flavour and there you go.

It's animal (human) cruelty inflicting that taste 'sensation' on us I say.

https://www.wspa.org.au/campaigns/savewhales/index.asp?ID=A0409E01


I've loved swimming for as long as I can remember. Even when I'm competing there's a real sense of calmness when I'm moving through the water. It makes me imagine how a whale must feel as she effortlessly glides through the ocean. Serene and tranquil. At peace in her underwater home.

But I also can't stop thinking what it's like for a whale when a whaling vessel appears behind her - an explosive-tipped harpoon aimed and ready to destroy.

For me, the threat I face in the water is my competition. But for this whale, the threat she now faces is an exhausting chase - and a slow and agonising death.

After years of gently roaming the seas, she's about to experience the violence and searing pain of a massive hole being ripped in her side. And an explosive device tearing through her body. The gaping wound quickly triples in size when the harpoon's barbs hook into her flesh. Exposed organs flood with sea water as her blood streams out, staining the surrounding ocean.

Her immense size means the vicious fury of the explosion is still not enough to kill her outright, only prolonging the torture. She is literally torn to shreds from the inside. But she is alive.

Those few seconds of chaos and intense suffering turn to minutes, the minutes become an hour. An end to her despair finally comes in the form of a second harpoon blasting through her body. Her silent misery is over.

Incredibly, the alternative is even more unbearable to comprehend. Dragged onto the deck of the whaling ship, she's motionless but still conscious as the crew encircle her - knives at the ready.

Or what if she'd sustained horrific injuries but somehow escaped? Whalers call this 'struck and lost', but this clinical term does nothing to hide the appalling moments ahead. The excruciating pain as her shattered body drifts slowly downward. Alone with her agony until her inevitable death.

This terrible cruelty can't go on. These beautiful and highly intelligent mammals need a voice, and they need it now.

WSPA has attended the International Whaling Commission yearly to fight for whales all over the world. And this year in June, the whales again need WSPA to tell the IWC and governments worldwide about the excruciating pain and terror every whale must endure when it is hunted and killed.

The unimaginable suffering I described earlier is heart wrenching to you and I, but it is also the biggest weapon we have in ending whaling once and for all.

That's because no-one can deny the extreme cruelty involved. The cruelty inflicted by whaling is simply irrefutable, and is the major weakness in the industry's argument to continue the appalling practice worldwide.

The whales can only suffer in silence. But you can help ensure their story of incredible torment is told so whales can once again roam the seas safe from harm.

Together, we can make sure the indisputable welfare argument is always 'front and centre' when key decisions are made about the protection of the world's whales and the future of whaling.

With this important date just a few months away, I'm putting aside my competitive training so I can give 100% to helping the whales. With thousands of whales horribly killed and injured each year, we must win the fight to stop the slaughter once and for all. I've learnt that to win you never give up, and I won't give up on these majestic animals. But I can't do it alone.

Please make an urgent donation today. Your support could give us the resources to make sure the whales' voice is heard at the IWC meeting in June, and will help WSPA's vital work to end the silent suffering of whales and other animals around the world.

    

I've loved swimming for as long as I can remember. Even when I'm competing there's a real sense of calmness when I'm moving through the water. It makes me imagine how a whale must feel as she effortlessly glides through the ocean. Serene and tranquil. At peace in her underwater home.

But I also can't stop thinking what it's like for a whale when a whaling vessel appears behind her - an explosive-tipped harpoon aimed and ready to destroy.

For me, the threat I face in the water is my competition. But for this whale, the threat she now faces is an exhausting chase - and a slow and agonising death.

After years of gently roaming the seas, she's about to experience the violence and searing pain of a massive hole being ripped in her side. And an explosive device tearing through her body. The gaping wound quickly triples in size when the harpoon's barbs hook into her flesh. Exposed organs flood with sea water as her blood streams out, staining the surrounding ocean.

Her immense size means the vicious fury of the explosion is still not enough to kill her outright, only prolonging the torture. She is literally torn to shreds from the inside. But she is alive.

Those few seconds of chaos and intense suffering turn to minutes, the minutes become an hour. An end to her despair finally comes in the form of a second harpoon blasting through her body. Her silent misery is over.

Incredibly, the alternative is even more unbearable to comprehend. Dragged onto the deck of the whaling ship, she's motionless but still conscious as the crew encircle her - knives at the ready.

Or what if she'd sustained horrific injuries but somehow escaped? Whalers call this 'struck and lost', but this clinical term does nothing to hide the appalling moments ahead. The excruciating pain as her shattered body drifts slowly downward. Alone with her agony until her inevitable death.

This terrible cruelty can't go on. These beautiful and highly intelligent mammals need a voice, and they need it now.

WSPA has attended the International Whaling Commission yearly to fight for whales all over the world. And this year in June, the whales again need WSPA to tell the IWC and governments worldwide about the excruciating pain and terror every whale must endure when it is hunted and killed.

The unimaginable suffering I described earlier is heart wrenching to you and I, but it is also the biggest weapon we have in ending whaling once and for all.

That's because no-one can deny the extreme cruelty involved. The cruelty inflicted by whaling is simply irrefutable, and is the major weakness in the industry's argument to continue the appalling practice worldwide.

The whales can only suffer in silence. But you can help ensure their story of incredible torment is told so whales can once again roam the seas safe from harm.

Together, we can make sure the indisputable welfare argument is always 'front and centre' when key decisions are made about the protection of the world's whales and the future of whaling.

With this important date just a few months away, I'm putting aside my competitive training so I can give 100% to helping the whales. With thousands of whales horribly killed and injured each year, we must win the fight to stop the slaughter once and for all. I've learnt that to win you never give up, and I won't give up on these majestic animals. But I can't do it alone.

Please make an urgent donation today. Your support could give us the resources to make sure the whales' voice is heard at the IWC meeting in June, and will help WSPA's vital work to end the silent suffering of whales and other animals around the world.

On behalf of the whales, thank you.



Leisel Jones
Olympic Gold Medallist

On the topic of whale hunting, did anyone watch that medicine man doctor show on ABC2 last night where they harpooned the whale for meat?

I wonder what whale tastes like?

Chicken

http://www.youtube.com/almasryalyoum

http://e-activist.com/ea-campaign/clientcampaign.do?ea.client.id=24&ea.campaign.id=3557&ea.param.extras=Organization:WSPAINT

A Brutal operation is underway to kill hundreds of thousands of pigs in Egypt.

Graphic footage* of the mass cull backs up first hand accounts, showing pigs being hit with iron bars, kicked and burned alive with chemicals. The suffering is indescribable.

The Egyptian authorities initially claimed this is a precaution against swine flu. In fact, the relocation of pigs from densely populated areas of Cairo was decided on a year ago – swine flu has merely provided an excuse to cull the pigs rather than move them.

This unacceptably inhumane killing contradicts expert advice: the World Organisation for Animal Health has unequivocally informed all its member nations – including Egypt – that ‘the culling of pigs will not help to guard against public or animal health risks.’

http://www.wspa-international.org/

Mmmmmm....... bacon.

Watched a show on ABC called meet the natives about some tribal folk going to UK.  They were appalled at the manner in which they treated their pigs especially their controlled breeding program. 
Should england abandon its program because people from other standings don't agree? Should Egypt?

I dont care where you come from or what cultural background you are of. Any person with the emotional ability to feel empathy will see that killing animals in any way which is unecerssarily cruel is wrong. They call it ínhumane' for a reason, no? Yet humans torture for the the ego pleasure of feeling powerful.

except thats applying absolutist values where its clearly a relative thing. there are cultures who believe ALL killing is wrong
you eat meat sometimes? instant no-no for them.

Exactly. It all depends on where your bias lies.

what about killing cane toads with bats, guns, golf clubs etc etc?

Cane toad golf is so much fun.

Almost hoping they spread down here so I can play again.

Surely theres some use for cane toads other than sporting equipment? Cant we mulch them into fertiliser or something 'Cane and Carp' great for your grass!

Saw a report in the Herald Scum about "hundreds of dogs being put down in scientific labs"...

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25635713-661,00.html

That's terrible, obviously, BUT what happens to the dogs when they can't find owners for them?

They're put down!

Rather they be put to use for the good of humanity than simply sit in a cell and rot.

And for the record, I'm all for testing on humans, including children. Bring on the clones!

 
 

 

double post!

Thanks to evn for this!



 

The sport of Kings. Been far too long since my last round.

Oooh! I love alpacas!