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RATM vs X-Factor

Started by del · 12 Dec 2009 · 30 of about 31 posts survive · see it on the Wayback Machine

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delPosts: 2,416
Posted: 12 Dec 2009, 9:21pmSubject: RATM vs X-Factor
I'm loving this idea and definitely getting involved. Not really something you guys can contribute to down there, but thought you may all be interested.

Basically, the X-Factor winner for the past 4 years has become the Christmas single no 1, so a couple of people started a campaign to make RATM's 'Killing In The Name Of' the number one. The video below shows that 576,000 copies of the X-Factor single were sold last year - the Facebook group is up to nearly 655,000, so hopefully they can pull of an upset.

[video: www.youtube.com]

States on the group that the people who started it have no affiliation to Sony or RATM, and I don't suppose we could be sure, and I know the money is going to another corporate, but fuck it, I would rather it be RATM than some manufactured singer.

Bookmakers slash odds of Rage Against The Machine being Christmas Number One
NoddyPosts: 8,438
Posted: 12 Dec 2009, 11:42pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
I reckon that's a pretty cool idea.

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Posted: 13 Dec 2009, 10:18amSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
Fuck that! I won't do what they tell me.
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delPosts: 2,416
Posted: 15 Dec 2009, 8:20pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
According the Metro the tracks are neck and neck, with X-Factor just leading. Fuck I hope it doesn't win, it's a song written for a Hannah Montana movie.
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Posted: 18 Dec 2009, 1:38pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
Rockers Rage Against The Machine in chart battle with Simon Cowell

A 1992 Rage Against the Machine rock anthem is in good shape to top the UK Christmas charts after 860,000 people joined a Facebook group to derail music mogul Simon Cowell and The X-Factor's winning single.

This week, anthemic 1992 rock song Killing In The Name had sold 253,476 units compared to Joe McElderry - who won British reality music show The X-Factor  -  with his single The Climb making 216,795 sales.

The group, which has called itself "Rage Against The X-Factor" has become the most frequented Facebook site in the UK.

Cowell,  whose company owns X Factor and who is also a judge on the series. has labelled the campaign "stupid", "cynical" and "very Scrooge".

In a Twitter post, Rage Against the Machine Guitarist Tom Morello mentioned that fearing the will of the people, X-Factor may pressure stores to lower the price of the song to boost sales. In turn he asked Rage fans to make multiple purchases of Killing in the Name in response.

All money raised from sales of the song in the UK will go to Youth Music, a scheme to help young musicians in the UK. The campaign also raises money for the homeless charity Shelter.

Yesterday, the band played the song - including the swear-filled chorus ("F.... you, I won't do what you tell me" four times) live on UK radio and slammed The X Factor and Cowell. Producers subsequently faded the band out as they continued to play, despite promising the BBC show they would not swear.

During the interview Morello criticised X-Factor and Cowell for spoon feeding people "one schmaltzy ballad after another".

As the week rolls on, more and more celebrities are voicing their support for the group that is putting the power back into the hands of the people.

Foo Fighter's frontman Dave Grohl told UK radio that he would be buying the song in protest to the reality television series single.

"There's some music that I question its intention," he said.

"When people rise up and decide, `Hey man, I'm sick of this, let's derail this other thing for something real' I'm all for it."
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Posted: 18 Dec 2009, 3:49pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
During the interview Morello criticised X-Factor and Cowell for spoon feeding people "one schmaltzy ballad after another".

As the week rolls on, more and more celebrities are voicing their support for the group that is putting the power back into the hands of the people.

Foo Fighter's frontman Dave Grohl told UK radio that he would be buying the song in protest to the reality television series single.

"There's some music that I question its intention," he said.

"When people rise up and decide, `Hey man, I'm sick of this, let's derail this other thing for something real' I'm all for it."

That's awesome! This is only for UK sales right?
delPosts: 2,416
Posted: 18 Dec 2009, 8:34pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
This is cute, especially considering both RATM and X-Factor recordings are owned by Sony.

This is really "sticking it to the man", isn't it?

States on the group that the people who started it have no affiliation to Sony or RATM, and I don't suppose we could be sure, and I know the money is going to [Sony anyway], but fuck it, I would rather it be RATM than some manufactured singer.


It's about not being spoonfed music, not about where the money goes - is the glass always half empty for you Julian?
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Posted: 18 Dec 2009, 9:50pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
Rage Against the Machine incited mass panic at a British radio show this morning -- when the lead singer unleashed a string of f-bombs during a live on-air performance.

It all went down on UK's Radio Five Live's Breakfast Show during a performance of "Killing in the Name" -- after the band was asked to cut the curse words from the song. According to the DJ, the band obliged before the performance -- but apparently had a change of heart once they went on the air.

After a series of f-bombs, a female DJ can be heard scrambling to cut the audio -- saying, "Get rid of it!" Obviously, Rage was not allowed back on the air.

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delPosts: 2,416
Posted: 18 Dec 2009, 10:28pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
Getting support from a few places

Sir Paul McCartney, who performed on the final show:
Quote from: BBC
Sir Paul McCartney backs Rage to top charts
"Everyone expects Joe to do it," said Sir Paul.

"If he goes to number one then good luck to him. He's just some kid with a career ahead. I've got nothing against that, but it would be kind of funny if Rage Against The Machine got it because it would prove a point."

Dominic Howard from Muse even buying a copy despite his band being on the chart:
Quote from:  Dominic Howard from his MySpace
RATM for #1!!!
I actually can't believe it! Rage Against the Machine for Xmas number 1 is the best and funniest thing I've heard all week! They're currently holding fort on top of X Factor Joe right now so let's make this happen! I've bought my copy. Best 29p from Amazon I've ever spent!
This isn't some contrived stunt from RATM or their label. Its just real music fans making a point about how typically boring and obvious this particular number 1 can be. Of all the bands to be chosen by rock fans to challenge this, it couldn't be more apt for one of the most 'power to the people' orientated bands there has been in the last 20 years. Genius!! Love it and love Rage. This song is almost 20 years old and it still sounds amazing!
Can't wait to see the Xmas day Top of the Pops now (which we're on by the way, ha!), and how it will be dealt with or what will be shown.
Hopefully Simon Cowell won't rush out and buy an extra 50,000 Joe McElderry singles to keep them off!

Merry Xmas!!

Dom x




Latest update from NME doesn't bode too well though:
Quote from: NME
UPDATE 10.30am 18th Dec
Rage Against The Machine are still ahead of Joe McElderry - but only by a few thousand. If Joe doesn't overtake them tomorrow it will be a miracle.



Quote from: NME
Rage Against The Machine's Christmas Number One lead over 'X Factor' narrows

Joe McElderry, meanwhile, recently revealed that he has never heard the song (or indeed anything by Rage Against The Machine) before.

 Face Palm
headachePosts: 4,464
Posted: 18 Dec 2009, 10:48pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
This is cute, especially considering both RATM and X-Factor recordings are owned by Sony.

This is really "sticking it to the man", isn't it?

All RATM profits from UK sales are going to charity. So, yes I suppose.
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Posted: 19 Dec 2009, 12:41amSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
It's about not being spoonfed music, not about where the money goes - is the glass always half empty for you Julian?

So Rage Against the Machine wasn't spoonfed to the masses in 1992? Sony never had an agreement with Triple J to play them, for example???

Do a bit of research about Rage. For all their posturing, they're just as commercial as Avril Lavigne.

Call me jaded, but I just think there are far better songs by far more independent groups not tied to major labels that deserve support over the Sony produced 15 year old song...

All RATM profits from UK sales are going to charity. So, yes I suppose.

If you read Tom Morello latest, it's "part proceeds"...

http://musicispower.youthmusic.org.uk/blog/87/rageagainstthemachineabigthankyoutotommorello/

Every bit counts I suppose... After all, even Hitler did some good...
headachePosts: 4,464
Posted: 19 Dec 2009, 12:53amSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
Call me jaded, but I just think there are far better songs by far more independent groups not tied to major labels that deserve support over the Sony produced 15 year old song...

That may be true, but are there hundreds of thousands of other people out there who would also think the same and make what is currently happening possible?

Quote from: FunkyJ
If you read Tom Morello latest, it's "part proceeds"...

http://musicispower.youthmusic.org.uk/blog/87/rageagainstthemachineabigthankyoutotommorello/

Every bit counts I suppose... After all, even Hitler did some good...

Ahh, well that's not quite so good, but better than nothing I guess.
delPosts: 2,416
Posted: 19 Dec 2009, 2:26amSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
So Rage Against the Machine wasn't spoonfed to the masses in 1992?

Not in the X-Factor way no. At least the music was their own and appealed to people because of that. I listened to it because a friend gave it to me and I liked it, not because it was playing on the radio.

Do a bit of research about Rage. For all their posturing, they're just as commercial as Avril Lavigne.

Never said they weren't, but it's not really about them is it.

Call me jaded

Jaded.

but I just think there are far better songs by far more independent groups not tied to major labels that deserve support over the Sony produced 15 year old song...

That may be true, but are there hundreds of thousands of other people out there who would also think the same and make what is currently happening possible?

Exactly, not many other songs would be able to do it. Right song, right time.



FFS Julian it's a bit of fun to try and knock Simon Cowell's manufactured singers off the top spot, go back to being funkyj somewhere else.
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Posted: 19 Dec 2009, 9:12amSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
Call me jaded, but I just think there are far better songs by far more independent groups not tied to major labels that deserve support over the Sony produced 15 year old song...

But how many of those songs would have anywhere near the profile, respect or fanbase of KITNO to actually have a chance of knocking off the x-factor winner?
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Posted: 19 Dec 2009, 9:36amSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
FunkyJ, please double check for us all that you do not actually have a vagina. You complain about everything so much so that I fail to believe that you are not suffering extended bouts of PMS.
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Posted: 19 Dec 2009, 12:26pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
You would think that on just the one occasion he could actually see the fun in something.
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delPosts: 2,416
Posted: 21 Dec 2009, 3:15amSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
What. A. Knob.  Face Palm

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X Factor's Joe McElderry brands Rage Against The Machine's 'Killing In The Name' 'dreadful'
December 19, 2009

X Factor winner Joe McElderry has branded Rage Against The Machine's 'Killing In The Name' "dreadful" after finally hearing his chart nemesis.

The star, who is currently 11,000 sales ahead of the Los Angeles band with 'The Climb', said he hated the track.

"They can't be serious!" he said. "I had no idea what it sounded like. It's dreadful and I hate it. How could anyone enjoy this? Can you imagine the grandmas hearing this over Christmas lunch?

"I wouldn't buy it. It's a nought out of ten from me. Simon Cowell wouldn't like it. They wouldn't get through to boot camp on The X Factor - they're just shouting."  Face Palm

Simon Cowell has already branded the Facebook campaign to get Rage Against The Machine to the UK singles Christmas Number One slot ahead of Joe McElderry "very Scrooge".

The X Factor mogul claimed that despite the campaign to get 'Killing In The Name' to the top spot the reality TV show winner would still be victorious.

Now, McElderry has defended Cowell and said his own track deserves to be Christmas Number One.

He told The Sun:"I think people are jumping on this to have a go at Simon and The X Factor rather than me. But Simon gives people a shot."

"I will be really disappointed if it doesn't go to No1 after all the effort I've put in to this and winning the show." Face Palm
delPosts: 2,416
Posted: 21 Dec 2009, 5:27amSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
It worked!!!! boh

RATM said they would play a free UK gig if it won too.
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Posted: 21 Dec 2009, 9:14amSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
 Tis the season!
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Posted: 21 Dec 2009, 10:35amSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
It worked!!!! boh

Apparently it sold 200,000 copies across Friday and Saturday.

I can't believe his comments either. The mere fact that a 17 year old track is competing with an X-Factor winner for number 1 should have probably been a fair indication to him that this "dreadful" song, has built up a massive fanbase across the globe and has stood the test of time. His hard work involves winning a fucking talent contest, and I use the word talent very loosely, covering a song (a crap one too) that was originally released THIS YEAR and not even written by the original person who performed it. How is that hard work? Perhaps he'll realise that slagging off people who are far better than you isn't such a good idea as he fades away to being a nobody again.
delPosts: 2,416
Posted: 21 Dec 2009, 7:18pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
His hard work involves winning a fucking talent contest, and I use the word talent very loosely, covering a song (a crap one too) that was originally released THIS YEAR and not even written by the original person who performed it. How is that hard work?

Yea, exactly.

It's funny now that he's lost, he's completely changed his tact trying to look civil, saying congratulations to the organisers and that he was happy just to have won X-Factor and have a debut single.
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Posted: 21 Dec 2009, 8:03pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
This is cute, especially considering both RATM and X-Factor recordings are owned by Sony.

This is really "sticking it to the man", isn't it?

Well Like someone else said, I would rather hear that they are on top of the charts... And theyre profits are going to charity...


At least in 10 years people will know who RATM are, do you remember the first aussie/american/uk idol winner??

I dont
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Posted: 21 Dec 2009, 8:05pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
guy sebastian b2b kelly clarkson innit

teef
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Posted: 21 Dec 2009, 8:26pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
Well Like someone else said, I would rather hear that they are on top of the charts... And theyre profits are going to charity...

 Some of the profits!
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Posted: 21 Dec 2009, 8:55pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
guy sebastian b2b kelly clarkson innit

teef

 laugh Yeah, that Kelly Clarkson is really struggling though.

Some of the profits!

Which are also more than made up for by maintaining a consistent and, though obviously niche, highly marketable image through such perfunctory acts.

yeah well better some of the profits going to charity rather than to Simon Cowells new lamborghini

You are aware that with Sony owning the rights to RATM distribution, and royalties being such a tiny cut of the actual profits, Simon will likely make more money than the charities from KITNO, aren't you?
THRESHOLDPosts: 742
Posted: 21 Dec 2009, 8:59pmSubject: Re: RATM vs X-Factor
Yeah I know... but they are still going to charity...

IE this is RATM ''all the money we get from this goes to charity, not in our pockets''

obviously itunes and beatport and sony and everything else is going to take their cut of the profit, cept for RATM...

Simon Cowell would be like "I can skin 1000 poor kids for my new lounge... "