Who has a DJM800 and...

(before I begin, yes, I *am* crazy).

So, I have a xone:92.  I bought one because since my mate upgraded from his fully suck numark battle set, to some 1210s and a xone:92, that's all I'd really used for extended periods.   a&h 4 lief maing and all that.  Which brings me to my next point...

Which is that for whatever reason, I basically think Pioneer's 4 channel mixers suck balls.  Hate them.  Would rather use a shitty old numark 2 channel than a DJM800 most days of the week.  Don't really know why, and seeing as they're so widely used I figure I better suck it up and get used to 'em.  Which is why (and again, yes, I am crazy,) I am asking...

Who has a DJM800, takes good care of their gear, and would be interested in swapping mixers for a few weeks or whatever, for the mutual benefit of having more experience with different hardware..?

And please don't be offended if I don't know you from a bar of soap and you're keen and I'm not... She's mah bebbeh

hahaha ive thought about it a few times myself with my 92.... 

a noble idea....

Personaly, DJM800 shits all over a 92. And, yes you are crazy and Im not lending my mixer to a crazy person!

Why is that?  Very curious to know what you prefer  (not taking the piss, for once)...

yeah, im not a fan of the Xones either. i know the sound is awesome blah blah, but not keen on how they feel to mix on, easier to bump things, headphone volume seems lower, effects are counter-intuitive/crappy.

could be just that im also more used to the 800 setup too, but the sound on the 800 is a great improvement over the old 600 too.

wow! interesting, oh well cheers for the input

pretty much what he said but in my oppinion the sound isnt better at all.

if i could request a mixer at a show i would request an 800 over an allen and heath

800 is straight to the point - big faders / knobs , easy layout - nice and loud headfones - everything is where it should be. aas jayar says the sound is fine now days from a pioneer.

the 92 has smaller eq knobs / plus that silly 2 mid range thing going on , plus quieter headfone out put and those fader assigns sitting next to the channel faders. the gain outputs are really touchy and the eq cutoff on the bass seems too high (turn down the bass in a mix and the whole tune seems to dissapear bar the high hats and a bit of snare)  - overall a bit too much going on imo that doesnt really need to be there.

i remember they were saying andy c helped design the 92....

but the 92 do have flashy blue lights which the 800 doesnt so the 92  gets a point for that.

what simmo and jayar both said is pretty much spot on.

I was gona get an A & H for ages until i used the pioneer a few times and that changed my mind completly i know i'm happy withy my purchase of the pioneer

i've never had a problem with headphone volume being too low at all on the a&h.
i still prefer the allen and heath although if pioneer had the allen and heath filters forget about it!
i know they have the new filter thing but thats positioned in a shitty spot and when you're trying to get it back to the middle quickly you rarely get it on centre.
that being said, if the allen and heath had a constant master level meter that would be unreal as well

very interesting!

here's what i think...

headphone output... i tend to hurt my ears thru hd25s with the headphone volume much over half way even with a single cue source and no mix coming through... do you guys seriously find you can't hear at full volume?

eq knob size & easier to bump things... i guess if you were used to the bigger ones, it could be an issue, i can't say that i feel this has ever affected me... i might have to have a mix on too much k and get back to you on this point

eq frequency... interesting point simmo, the 250Hz cutoff for the high pass in the 'LO' knob is quote high thinking about it (pioneer specs just say '70hz' for the bass eq - i assume this is a centre freq, anyone know more details on this??)  i guess to me this doesn't matter because you can filter as much as you want of the bottom end with the filter, and as such you get much more control over everything further up the spectrum with the eq...  the downside being that you have to use the filters as well to get the same functionality as the pioneer provides with 3 knobs?

gain control & sound quality... interesting, i haven't really thought of the gain on the 92 as touchy... i've almost though the opposite when using a djm800 where i found myself needing to use the gain a lot more, and found it difficult to make use of the channel levels as i adjusted due to the sensitivity close to 0db...  mind you this was a fairly brief session so just an initial impression.  i dig the channel level meters on the 92 and appreciate being able to have a fair amount of faith in reading them - this may just be familiarity.  as for the 62 forget it, the channel meters on that are a joke... i find that the a&h can cop it in the red a whole lot better than the pioneers, both on channel and the output stage, which of course makes natural sense due to the analog vs digital design.  one subjective thing of note is that i think that just feeding the output of my computer through the mixer seems to warm up the sound considerably, without any eqing or filtering or whatever, which is interesting for me because i've been fairly dismissive of that supposed effect in the past... kinda like using an analog pre-amps on your mics before recording vocals digitally.

effects being counter-intuitive / crappy... what effects?  are you talking about the send layout?  it's a bit complicated but opens up massive flexibility if you introduce offboard effects.  definitely the pioneer shits all over the a&h for built in effects as the a&h has none other than the filters, which you can't be saying are crappy?? maybe you don't aspire to mix like andy c but you just gotta watch him in action to see the impact you can to give your mixes with proper use.  i don't feel heaps strongly against them but i do find the pioneer effects to be a bit played out... gonna get one of them mini kaos pads to mess with the sends on my 92.

flashy lights... the 92s blue lights don't flash? although the red bpm tap ones do... seems like the pioneer has a lot more bright/flashy lights? although perhaps makes it easier to see what's what if you're not familiar with it

another thing that i thought straight away is that i much prefer the channel fader curve on the a&h.  bringing it up on the djm800 seems a LOT more sudden, and while as you say 'bigger faders' it's a shorter throw so you have less 'analog resolution'.

interesting discussion... i'd like to hear patch and macros opinions... (and anyone elses!)

ah you beat me to it, what do you mean here sorry?

edit - thought i'd quote this off dnbarena to razz you all up a bit

Used one in a club before?

i have yeah, you cunts must be fukn deaf

we had a 92 on the weekend at garage and seriously, i dont think i even had the headphones up halfway and they were more than loud enough.. the monitors were up at a decent level as well, enough to send me home with ringing ears

at hq they are always loud, main stage, gabs, soho inside and out.
as a matter of fact i cant remember a night where i have ever struggled to hear my headphones on an allen and heath.
maybe you have the gains too low and they arent producing a hot enough signal or something.  thats easy to get around, just turn them up and pull the master down.
ill tell you a secret about the filters as well.
you can leave them on hi pass the whole time as long as you get the resonance to sit at exactly the right setting that the sound isnt effected while they are on.   it saves you even touching the bass eq.
its taken me years to work out why andy/friction etc always leave them on...there you have it for free.
i still turn them off tho, force of habit.

they mix with em apparently?>

i assumed that all the way to mild would be more or less flat, are you saying that it should be up a bit from there to have 'no effect' on the sound??

its worth saying to be careful there, as you can get some serious noise coming through around 20-30Hz if the resonance is up which could have all sorts of unwanted effects, setting off limiters, sounding shite, generally stealing your headroom

i also assume you must be right about the gain volume if headphones are too quiet, i usually aim to hit the second blue LEDs fair solidly on the channel faders (occasionally hitting the third rather than only just lighting the second), which is normally pretty much 12 o clock gain with run of the mill modern d'n'b 12s, which tends to be on par with running serato into the second yellow (anyone find differently?)


really?? me too!

i may be be thinking bout 62 headfone volume being quiet

the 62 is teh worst Xone ever made... its like it came from a different factory and the layout sux completely!! Not to mention that huge Db drop when you press the cross fade change button... hate the 62...

The 92 on the other hand is awesome!! & what Patch says about headphone volume @ kenny ken was spot on... i dont think we had it over 1/2 way up...

P.S- i like both mixers (92 & 800) for different reasons... as long as everything works.. im happy!  

so they do have blue lights!!

touche

I borrowed a Xone92 (for home) - loved it, watching andyC on youtube you can see him usin the filter - was pretty easy to figure out how to use it like patch said and found it produces a really smooth cut, meaning you can avoid trying to juggle the low & mid-low if you want to slam a couple of tunes together.

found for recording a mix the sound quality was awesome - if i step up from my little DJM400 i'll be movin to 92 

haven't used it out live tho (in my whole 2 sets lol) - only the DJM800

whats the one out back of soho? thats not a 92, but it aint that great to mix on.

and yeah, i am fucking deaf, you young cunts


one set of midrange EQ FTW!

well i realised i had been overlooking a good mate who has an 800 and is keen so i'm sorted

will let you know what i think once i've had a proper sus, almost as if you care or something

does anyone know what the fader start buttons on the 800 do?

yep, u can start a cdj or sampler etc using the cross fader on the DJM 800/600's etc 

yeah if you cue up your cdjs (or other compatible hardware) you can just whack the fader and it will start as soon as it leaves zero, can use up faders or crossfader

oh yep, cheers

sick sick footage!!

He isn't human. Fact.

The mere thought of even trying to put together a set like one of Andys is daunting enough, never mind actually trying to pull it off. Absolute nutter.

that footage is mad! pretty keen to have a go on a 92 now. havnt used one much so id like to see the difference to the 800 myself

im still yet to see a dj do a 3 deck quick mix set in adelaide.. if someone knows of a dj edumacate me!

andy is king..

Friction does it usually I reckon...sure there's been some others too including Patch at some point...

Still haven't seen any DnB DJ pull off a 3 deck set the way Carl Cox used to do it in the early nineties.

He was untouchable back then.

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stupid footage
love how this thread has moved from djm800s to three deck sets...

ive had a few attempts at three deck sets... fucking hard work to say the least, so quodos to fuckers who pull off a whole set of those shennanigans!

Indeed, a few mixes here and there is ok but a whole set of it is tough. 

Was actually an early 90's 3 deck set from Carl Cox that got me listening to electronic music regularly. That footage is sick btw.

+1 although the MC on the otherhand is not.. argh!

i was more impressed by goldies t shirt

its all about preparation. if you aren't prepared then dont bother. its hard work, if everything isnt in order then i'll usually just go back to 2 decks..say if the monitors are shit or theres a tiny delay etc

i just saw the xone 42 - looks pretty sick , like a djm800 but the allen and heath version

yeah i just bought one. Awesome mixer. big and spacious. And that beautiful A&H sound is quite noticably different from my old djm400.  Best thing is i payed less than half the price of a djm800   

a&h 4 lief maing

Who has a DJM800, takes good care of their gear, and would be interested in swapping mixers for a few weeks or whatever, for the mutual benefit of having more experience with different hardware..?

if ya still keen to swap for a week or so im keen to try the 92.. ive got a 800 thats just over 6 months old that i look after like its my own child haha. where abouts you livin?? not sure that ive met ya before but ya can be assured that i would take good care of ya 92 aslong as you did the same with my 800

hey man, unforunately another mate has already agreed and i'm getting the loan of a cdj at the same time to play with fader start and shit so i'm pretty keen to follow through with that ;p  once i've given it back tho i'll let ya know and see if you're still keen

More of a hindrance than a help IMO. See what you think of it. I turn it off myself.

yeah i figure i'll probably come to the same conclusion, but it could work alright for 'third deck' mixes i'm also thinking