SA Smoking Ban : Nov 1

Effective from 1 November 2007 all enclosed areas in pubs, clubs, bingo venues and the casino must be 100% no-smoking. 

http://www.tobaccolaws.sa.gov.au/Default.aspx?tabid=160

Discuss.

Well you should know first hand now how fantastic it is.

 

good. smoking sucks.

well its not that big a deal, its been in effect here in the uk for months now. the only real issue i have with it is that when you're in pubs and clubs, you start to notice a fuck loads of gross smells now that there's no cigarette smoke to cover them up! ie: BO, farts, toilet smell, people burping near you, bad cologne, etc etc. Its pretty wrong

but that said I'm a smoker, and it doesnt bother me that much, though its not english winter yet so that may well change i kinda like it cuz I dont smoke as much when I'm out and I am stoked that they have finally banned it in eating venues.

and FEET!

I freakin love it, my only gripe now is that all the beer gardens are filled with smokers so on a nice day you end up smoked out if you wanna enjoy the weather. Blergh.

what? you mean your OWN???!!!???

smoking bans rock!!! think about it, only 13% of australians smoke (checking now for references on the nets to back that up) yet for some reason every venue u go  out to is full of smoke. as yak points out, the only downside is outside areas being grossly smoked out. i am sure that indiscriminate smoking outside will go the way of britney's career too, in a lot of US states you can't even smoke just anywhere outside, only designated areas.

ok here are the stats. look at the decline in smoking rates! wonder what more recent stats would be...
1995 27% Men    23% Women
http://www.quit.org.au/quit/fandi/fandi/c01s1.htm

as a reformed smoker i say

bout bloody time

Its going to cause problems with venues that dont have open areas, more so it will be poeple smoking outside on footpaths, streets etc & that will bring back the whole pissed of pub neighbours debate

As someone who has to work in that enviroment i cant wait, working in hospitality your ears & lungs gets flogged ( as well as you sanity ) it will be nice to come home from work not smelling like smoke

I agree!! Can't wait for the ban!!

Same here, I started the Zyaban tablets yesty and plan on being tobacco free after next weekend

Bah.

This is what pisses me off. Smoking is legal. I am allowed to smoke should I choose to. I enjoy a cigarette when I go out, hell, I enjoy cigarettes all the damn time. Now, they bring in these stupid fucking laws saying I can't smoke inside... and all non smokers get real excited about it... but then complain when the outside areas are full of smokers? Ok, where the fuck are we supposed to go?

I should be allowed to enjoy a cigarette in the fucking beer garden, if that's the only place I can smoke. Non smokers - you will soon have the entire venue smoke-free inside... quit your whinging!!

Seriously... you want the venue to be smoke free so you can have SMOKE FREE AIR inside, what the fuck do you need to go outside for now?

 

It's going to be interesting to see the late-night Hindley Street smoking on footpath crew.

They should build dingy little smokers sheds to stash them away and prevent fights with footpath traffic.

Pub/Club Security and Police are going to have some additional workload methinks...

I honestly don't think many venues will allow people to stand on the footpath smoking. So if there is so designated smoking area, perhaps it's going to be a case of TOUGH TITTIES.

Also, if smokers go outside for a cigarette, are they going to have to line up to get back inside each time? I don't want to spend the majority of my night waiting in a line, just because I'm forced to smoke outside.

Does this apply to ' Smoke machines' in clubs?

Once your out your out mate get in the back of the line

Hmm, I dont think there will be a major issue with getting back in. The way it is managed in Canada (where people, smokers and non smokers, seem to deal with the indoor smoking ban pretty easily) is that u will have a roped off area for smoking in, outside, or something similar.

Lexy, u have to understand, as much as non smokers love the freedom of expression and right to choose what u want to do in life, the fact that smokers are a MINORITY but seem to somehow pollute pretty easily the air in clubs etc, is what gets us ticked off.

So bouncers are going to have to double as street sweepers moving clots of smokers from the footpath and also deal with angry smokers who have to re-line up.

Sounds like fun.

I can see a bumpy road ahead, for a while at least.

NB. I am for the ban as I don't smoke 

i am for the ban and i do smoke...im thinking if it makes me cut back a bit then thats a good thing!

i'm of the same opinion.

though i won't be going out for the sake of it anymore.

I'm a smoker and I'm all for the ban.

Stop whinging Lexy and just deal with it.

is it true that the casino has some special deal and you are allowed to smoke there? mate told me this recently and it sounds interesting..

i doubt it... they are really cracking down at the casino, including no entry to people who are drunk, seriously responsible servive of alcohol, anything to do with making sure they dont get more problem gambling cases, and i reckon that making people leave their machine to go have a smoke would be a big part of that

i'll ask my dad since he approves/disapproves the rulings

Pretty sure the casino is smoke free as well.

Loving it

*takes a breath of air in*

Problem for me is - dancing is the only form of excercise I really get - but because I mainly do it in clubs all I am doing is breathing in smoke when it should be air. Gonna be good to actually feel good the next day instead of feeling hung over from the smoke - I find even when I dont drink I still feel hung over and it is due to the smoke that I am forced to breathe in

Hopefully smokers will smoke less to if they are forced to go outside - which means everyone lives longer   

on the "bouncers wont let people stand outside to smoke....

bouncers have no jurisdiction on outside unless there is licenced seating area. if you're not allowed to drink outside, its not licensed and they cant get you to do squat. 

Even though i am a smoker i will be welcoming the new bans.. Nothing worse than coming home from a club and wreaking like smoke

I thought the high rollers room did get an exemption from the ban?

*edit* nup, NO exemptions.

i was gunna ask about that actually.

i wonder if the private rooms are exempt? like where someone wants to just blow $100 million, but want to smoke. i wonder....

thats a good question, I guess if it's a truly private room, it might be outside the scope of the legislation...

go home syndrome

Awesome!! 

The smoking ban is fucking shithouse. As for the facts and figures supposedly supporting the ban(**% of men smoke, **% of women smoke), i can tell you right now that this doesn't apply in a pub or club. Sure, you got your neo-Nazi never-light-up-in-my-life types that occasionaly venture out and they probably would never smoke. But who wants to have a guess at what percentage of people who walk in a pub or club's doors smoke in that particular venue? I would bet my fucking life that it won't be less than 50 or 60%. I'm willing to bet it may even go higher! That includes the social smokers, the chain smokers, the weed smokers and the "Give me just one puff" smokers. Soon as this ban comes in it'll ruin the atmosphere of any pub or club you go to. I'm not talking about one-off events and shit, you know, touring artists or bands playing at HQ or whatever. I'm talking about walking into an establishment, getting a fucking beer from the barrie, pulling out ya fucking Styvies and realising that NO, what are you doing, it's fucking ILLEGAL to do exactly what you fucking came here to do!!! This era is full of pussies. Did you know that 15 years ago, you could smoke at work? In fact, you could smoke wherever the fuck you want! And, I've got some bad news for ya peeps, people still die from cancer, eh? I'm not just talking about from smoking ciggies either. What?!?!? Yeah, it's true. Apparently the environment is fucked up from all these chemicals in the air that give ya lung disease or skin cancer or all other types of shit. Why don't we ban GOING OUTSIDE!!! Why don't we ban DRIVING A CAR!!! Why don't we ban COWS FROM FARTING!!! Going out is supposed to be the best time of your fucking week. Relaxation from the rules and regulations of your working or home life. Sit down at the bar, or stand up and groove to some beats, it don't matter. What matters is that when ya wanna burn a hole in your fucking throat, you should be allowed to do so!!! Non-smokers are jealous as fuck, that's why they want it banned. Their virgin lungs can't inhale anything other than pure oxygen lest they shall crumple into a heap right where they stand! And the smells comment made was a great one. I don't know about any other smoker, but taste comes into it for me as well (not that I need to worry about it anymore). Before I smoked, anytime I pashed some random bird it was like catching a knife in front of your face blindfolded. You didn't know what she was gonna fucking taste like. When I started smoking out, it fixed that problem. Now they all taste the same! Hell, I could close my eyes, open my mouth and feel safe in the knowledge that whatever goes in there isn't gonna taste any worse than how it tastes now. And that's the environment I create for non-smokers. It just wouldn't feel right in a pub or club without that smoky atmosphere. I mean, if you want a clean, clear environment... STAY AT FUCKING HOME!!!
I could go on forever. Just need a smoke break!  

Whatever.


It's just annoying. It annoys the piss out of me and I'm sick of non smokers 'holier than thou' attitudes because they are non smokers.


Good for you and how about no? I am entitled to my opinion and fucked if I'm going to pretend if doesn't irk me just because 90 percent of you think the ban is fucking great.


Ugh.

If the government is so serious about banning smoking and making people live longer, healthier lives... then why don't they make cigarettes illegal?

OH THAT'S RIGHT, because the government makes money from them. If all the smokers in Australia quit... where would that revenue come from? Hmm, the government would probably jack up other taxes to make up for it and then all the non smokers would whinge about that.

Couldn't agree more!!! But I am sort of happy about the law coming in, will make it so much easier to quit!!!

i'm a smoker and i'm not really to bothered about the bans as long as there is an adequate smoking area in or attached to the venue.

what i hope never comes in is the 3am lockout rule they have in qld. Go outside for a smoke at 3:05 go to come back in get told to fuck off wanker (after telling me i can come back). Bouncer cops drink in face and all of a sudden i'm a fuckhead and lucky i'm not bashed. Biggest bullshit rule there is

I don't see how it's going to be any easier to quit... for anyone who smokes seven days a week IMHO.

You will still have friends who smoke. You will still be in situations where you are drinking or partaking in other illegal substances which may or may not increase your desire, to just have one. You will still come across daily situations which will make you want a cigarette, ie. after a cone, after a meal, if you get stressed out, when you're on the phone, with your coffee, when you're bored or nervous... just as examples, which may or may not apply to you.

If you ONLY smoke when you go out to clubs and pubs, yeah, then I can see how it MAY be easier to quit.

And if people don't believe that the bans won't affect the atmosphere of clubs... then just look at Mojo. They made the club non smoking inside around the time they introduced the absolutely retard rule that you couldn't smoke within one metre of the bar. As a result... I would say, 90 percent of patrons would be outside in the beergarden smoking. The club was mostly dead inside as the majority of people only went inside to get a drink and then back outside for a smoke again. People would walk past Mojo and see that it was dead inside and not go in... not knowing that the beergarden was packed with people. The club would then close early and everyone would be disappointed.

And aside from that, despite the signs posted everywhere that you couldn't smoke inside... people would eventually light up inside anyway.

So how is this ban going to be policed? Are we going to have special Smoke Police running around everywhere, every night of the week, making sure people aren't smoking inside and handing out fines? Where are these police going to come from? I was under the impression that we didn't have enough police on the force to begin with...

They are called the Fun Police, and 90% of the people posting on this thread belong to this particular force! It'll basically be the non-smoking patrons who go up to the smokers and say "You're not allowed to do that! I'm telling!". At which point, the smokers can feel free to stub out the cigarette in the Goodie Two-Shoes left eye-socket.

More likely it's gonna be the bar staff who won't serve people who are smoking or ask them to leave while they are collecting glasses around the joint and walk past a smoker...it's going to be interesting times for sure!

It's interesting to note that in a swankish 4-star Mercure hotel I was in recently in Thailand, there were sand ashtrays situated at the elevator entrances (best bit was the M artfully stamped into the sand), leading me to believe that these places still run a mid-70's approach to smoking indoors...I was a little surprised especially because it was such a upmarket place! At a cheaper hotel in Bangkok my room actually reeked like an all night cigar party was held there! But this is SE Asia we're talking about, just about everyone chain smokes there and smokes are cheap as chips, I definitely can't see bans on the horizon for any of those countries...

Grow up people and realise that life aint fair in so many ways and it hasn't been fair on non smokers for a long time now...

It aint fair that someone who doesn't smoke can get cancer from breathing in someone elses fumes if there is a good chance that it CAN be stopped. Sure being a non smoker you can get cancer from chemicals in the air but I believe the chances of getting cancer are a hell of alot less then going and sitting in a room full of dangerous chemical gases and breathing it in just as an example.

People shouldn't have to be made to smoke your smoke. No one should be forced to smoke just because another person wants to or likes it.

Dont get me wrong I feel sorry for you that you have to go outside and be treated differently because you smoke but I also dont feel that a persons bad habits should be forced onto others just because you dont like having to go outside, especially when it is a health risk to others including your friends and loved ones.

Dont blame us non smokers on the fact that the Government makes money on you for smoking when it is a health problem they and you know about. The reason they warn you is so you dont sue them when you die or get major health problems from it. Not my fault you decide to smoke knowing the risks.

If the Government did ban smoking I would congratulate them - Sure if taxes went up it would suck but to know that my friends who all smoked previously would be around longer would make me happy and cancels out the fact that taxes MAY be higher if in fact the government did ban it.

One good thing I have noticed is the amount of outdoor areas opening up at pubs for this exact reason - I think they are a great idea to accomodate for the smokers.

that is all.

Looks like it will be a bumpy road indeed with people being this belligerent. .

Fortunately we non-smokers out number your kind.

I suspect that we are also better behaved and more reasonable.

seriously guys. is it that big an issue?

we're pretty much the last state in australia to do this. the other states don't seem to be falling apart around us because of it...

The only Fun Police around here Mr is the cancer stick in your hand killing off the remaining seconds/minutes/days/years off your life and the people you care for around you.

What aint fun is in 5-10 years (give or take a few) is you sitting in a hospital bed hardly being able to breathe because your lungs are full of tar due to you spending your life smoking. You'll be looking out the window watching all the non smokers/family/kids/friends outside enjoying their life.

Stab yourself in the eye socket and go have some more fun sticks - that is if you aint blind from smoking yet.

seriously everywhere i've been in aus that has no smoking has been alright except for when there is not an adequate area in which to smoke.

It ain't fair that someone who doesn't
 drink can be hit by a drunk-driver on the way home and killed in said accident. Ban drinking? Having just said that, what a good idea. How annoying is it having to contend with drunken wankers every time you step inside a pub! They're almost as bad as those bloody smokers!!!


No one is forcing anyone to breathe.


Yes, you may have read the post earlier about us smokers now also ruining the outside ambience as well, as Lexy pointed out we now have nowhere to go. I think a viable solution would be to take all us smokers into a back room, line us up against a while and shoot us point-blank range in the back of the head. That would rid the world of it's biggest problem, and at the same time rid us smokers of our biggest problem... having to constantly listen to the shit we get from non-smokers! I mean, fucking hell!
And I have to agree whole-heartedly with Cleasc about the atmosphere. I can't wait til all your hang-out spots close up early because they can't get punters in the doors! I'll be sad when mine do too, but at least I can say it wasn't my fault.

But are they going to have the authority to issue fines? I doubt it.


I don't think it's a case of having to grow up at all.

Life is, essentially, not fair. Many people die from cancer every year that is NOT attributed to smoking, or passive smoking. It's not fair that people get cancer, but unfortunately they do. If you don't ever want to get sick or die, then don't ever go outside. You could get hit by a car, struck by lightning, shot, stabbed... you could bloody trip and fall and crack your head open on the goddamn pavement.

What about all you non smokers that take recreational drugs? Aren't they full of chemicals that could potentially kill you? Couldn't they cause you health problems in the future? Unless you treat your body like a temple, then you can't really go on about breathing in chemicals if you willingly ingest them yourself.

The warnings the government give people is a joke. If the government really wanted to stop smoking, they would ban cigarettes, make them illegal. But they won't BECAUSE of the revenue they raise from them. It's that simple.

How many people die from alcohol each year? Whether it's from alcohol poisoning, drink driving, etc etc. Alcohol isn't healthy and the majority of people I know, don't drink in moderation. Some drunk people can be violent and annoying. Nearly everyone I know, who drinks and also drives a car, has driven drunk at one time in their lives. How many people who are alcoholics put their friends and family through hell because of their problem? Let's ban alcohol.


Uhhh.

If some people, including myself, happen to be annoyed by these stupid laws, then shouldn't we be entitled to express that opinion? Even if we are in the minority?

thread delivers lols
 

 

babe, taking some illegal recreational drugs really just affects the user, unless something major happens. cigarettes put out SO much shit into a small space, and it sucks!!! why should we put up with it?/ sure clubs may lose some ambience, and in cases like mojo (which u are right about, btw) i guess punters will just have to smarten up, or clubs may have to do something which should have been done a long time ago...CHANGE the club/bar space to deal with smokers and non smokers.

noone wants to be the fun police, but look at the recent Responsible Service of Alcohol laws. I am sure a alot of alcoholics kicked up a fuss about that! Or drink driving laws??? Why are these laws in affect?? To protect OTHER PEOPLE as well as the person drinking/driving/smoking.

I hate the fact cars put out a shit pile of crap into the air. Which is why I vote green, ride a bike and get active in the community about it.

I hate the fact the government makes money from alcohol, cigarettes, gambling etc. But I do think the government should be active in protecting citizens by bringing in regulations. Thats all this is. And seriously, it's not gonna change things too much!

it's statements like bel's last one though that certainly don't make me want to quit.

i honestly don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of me smoking, and i think even less of people trying to guilt other's into quitting. it's a lifestyle choice that smokers have made. i'm pretty sure every smoker is well aware of the hazards involved in smoking. we certainly don't need others reminding us of it. i've got a big fuck off to all the non smokers with holier than thou attitudes who put them onto me.


also, have their ever been any real findings in the way of passive smoking? it's a serious question, as i reckon a link if someone could find one would be great for this discussion.

yeah i'm with you chris but i do beleive you meant "holier than thou"

there's some pretty well referenced info on wikipedia about it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking

And of course, scholar.google brings up a pile of REFEREED, very much good scientific papers on the subject

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/273/13/1047
Recent clinical, laboratory, and epidemiological evidence that passive smoking causes heart disease was reviewed, with particular emphasis on understanding the underlying physiological and biochemical mechanisms. DATA SOURCES--Publications in the peer-reviewed literature were located via MEDLINE, citation in other relevant articles, and appropriate reports by scientific agencies. Greatest emphasis was given to work published since 1990. CONCLUSIONS--Passive smoking reduces the blood's ability to deliver oxygen to the heart and compromises the myocardium's ability to use oxygen to create adenosine triphosphate. These effects are manifest as reduced exercise capability in people breathing secondhand smoke. Secondhand smoke increases platelet activity, accelerates atherosclerotic lesions, and increases tissue damage following ischemia or myocardial infarction. The effects of secondhand tobacco smoke on the cardiovascular system are not caused by a single component of the smoke, but rather are caused by the effects of many elements, including carbon monoxide, nicotine, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, and other, not fully specified elements in the smoke. Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke in everyday life exhibit an increased risk of both fatal and nonfatal cardiac events.

cheers dave.

typing before i could think there.

and thanks anna.

I believe that you meant "Believe"
 

touche

 TBH it's not so much the lung cancer part of passive smoking for me, it's the coming home covered in shit smelling smoke.

LMFAO!

http://www.smoke-free.ca/warnings/Australia-warnings.htm

looks fun dont it

Keyser:

Ban drinking! see if I care I barely drink - I can go and have fun without drinking or smoking - whats it called? ENJOYING LIFE!!!!! (this weekend I may prove all of you including myself wrong but it is my bday)

No one is forcing anyone to breathe? Ouch! is that all you got?  

No where to go - what about the people who have no where to go from all the smoke?   its all depends on perspective - least I am trying to see both sides - You however are only thinking about yourself - and I have seen plenty of bars with awesome outdoor entertaining areas now...  

Lexy: Grow up statement was a joke *pokes*  

No shit there is a chance you can go out and get hit by a bus - does that mean the chance is less or more that I will get hit by a bus if I go out and stand carelessly in road that has an onslaught of busses coming instead of waiting patiently for a gap in the road on a road that only has one bus - surely the chances are much higher to get hit by a bus on the raod bombarded than it is without if this was the case?

If I or anyone else does take recreational drugs at least it doesn't get taken by others who dont want it.

Again not my fault you decide to smoke after you know the warnings - sure the Government make money from it again not my fault, cash or problem. I already stated I wish they would ban smoking.

The point here is it's a choice for you to smoke fair enough - its not my choice to smoke your fumes.

It's really not hard to understand why this is a bad idea:

Bans in pubs/clubs = more drunks on the street = more violence in the streets = curfew = pubs/clubs closing down = end of Adelaide's music scene.

It's a stupid, knee jerk reaction and bandaid solution by a government that doesn't really give a fuck about any of us.

And don't give me that crap about Canada doing it and how their scene is alright... Their music scene sucks - not one of you could name me a contemporary Canadian band on the last AM board.

Even if those household names are shit like Celene Dion and Bryan Adams, it's highly likely the days of Canadian performers being household names being a thing of the past and I'd bet my healthy, smoke free lungs that this is a direct result of the bans on smoking...

I am not trying to guilt you into quitting mate or put my attitude on you - you can smoke all you like I just dont want to breathe it in My boyfriend smokes and I am never on his back - why? it is his choice - if he dont want to live as long his problem not mine It also aint my problem if you feel guilty about it... I just want my friends like you around longer nothing wrong with that!

and I believe there has been lots of findings - oh wait I see a post with some now...

P.S. trashy - Your posts in here are right on girl

Hhaa J, are u serious?? Canadians have always made bad music. BUT there are some great bands coming from Canada - Hot Hot Heat, Arcade Fire to name a couple.

  Fuck that made me LOL

do you think venues will put pokie machines in the beer garden?

nah they'd have to change their lisence, which is rarely allowed by the commission

What I'm trying to get at... yeah ok, smoking may slowly kill someone, but couldn't taking drugs do that as well? Perhaps I don't want to be at the bedside of someone who has become sick or from taking drugs and watch them die either? Unfortunately, it's a personal choice and I don't run around preaching to drug users about the risks they're taking.

I was of the understanding that we will not know what affect certain drug use will have had on our generation until we are much older... so how do we know that taking drugs regularly isn't slowly killing the people that take them?

The fact is, these laws are bullshit. Like I have already said a few times, if the government really gave a shit... THEY WOULD MAKE CIGARETTES ILLEGAL... like heroin, cocaine, etc etc. BUT they make money from it and money is more important.

I don't know about the new Responsible Service of Alcohol laws, so I can't comment on those. There are drink driving laws in place, but people still die because people are stupid enough to get in their cars and drive when they are pissed... it's not like those laws have completely stopped people from driving drunk.

We won't know how much things will change until the laws come into effect. If the result of the laws, is what has happened at Mojo in the past, then I think things are going to suck IMO.


Perhaps, but don't people who don't take drugs have to put up with annoying munts? They may not breathe poisonous smoke on me but their "bad habit" affects me too.

No one has said it's the non smokers fault that cigarettes are taxed. It's just a fact that they are, and the government would lose money if they were banned. Would every non smoker, like you, be happy to pay more money in taxes because cigarettes were banned? I sincerely doubt it. People whinge enough about taxes increasing... I'm sure it would turn into "oh, now those bloody smokers aren't smoking, I HAVE TO PAY MORE MONEY!"... but that's my IMO.

I'm going to be very interested to see what's going to happen when the laws come into effect. If a non smoker is out with friends, all of whom happen to be smokers... and all the smokers are sitting outside, drinking and chatting... will the non smoker go and sit outside and SUBJECT themselves to the cigarette smoke? If the non smokers end up in the beergarden because most of their friends are sitting outside smoking, won't that kind of defeat the purpose? If a non smoker was to THEN get some form of cancer, wouldn't it be their own fault for not staying in the smoke free venue?


I agree.


Aren't pokies smoke free?

 Drugs are already illegal, but besides that, by someone using them next to you, it does not affect your health.

 It's not a valid comparison.

The whole point of this is that it isn't just one person's opinion. See if you care? OK, would anyone on here be upset if drinking was banned in pubs and clubs as well? Personally, for me, drinking and smoking is what I call ENJOYING LIFE!!!!  


My point being that freedom of choice is a great thing. Don't like the dingy, smoky club you just entered? Go somewhere else. Find that spot suited to you. What I think would be a great idea is to have non-smoking venues and smoking venues completely separated. That way, NO ONE could complain, you would have the choice as to whether you want to endure the clouds of toxic material or breathe real oxygen. See which places pull the better crowds and have the better atmosphere.


Because I usually get pretty fucked up it's a blessing that I smell like an ashtray the next day. That way I know I've been out the night before!


Serves those passive smokers right for not buying their own smokes. Blaggers!  


You haven't seen the ads the Gov has put out relating to ice, weed and the like?!? 
Drug use affects EVERYONE!!!!!!!

I agree.




Pokies will now be smoke free. Also, pokie rooms have to be blocked from view from the rest of the venue. And no outside advertising I think.

Oh and places are no longer allowed to have cigarette machines either. My plan is to buy one cheap due to the excess supply that will result, and keep it in my house. Should be handy for after parties. Nice little money spinner.

It is if they suddenly lose it and stab you.

And remember, this is Lexy we're talking about, so it's highly likely to happen... moreso if she doesn't smoke...

SO LET THE GIRL SMOKE OTHERWISE IT'S BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH!

 

I agree with Strykes post completely.

I agree with Lexys to a degree. Your right drugs are bad for people hence why they are banned. Still you dont have any health risks from someone else taking them...

Please read my previous post on paying more taxes - Governemt will always find something to tax me on - if you and the people I love live longer because they ban smoking and rise taxes then sweet at least we can all whinge together!

What I think is ironic is how you all follow suit with the Government who obviously as you guys say yourself dont care about your health so you go along with them and dont care about your own health.

I see Keysers point and yes you are a funny man but again its a matter of perspective - if living your life is going out and slowly killing yourself then good for you I dont need to be slowly killed in the process for wanting to live my life. I am not saying it is wrong to smoke or drink each to their own and good for you for making a personal choice - it is however wrong though if you force a beer down someones throat who doesn't want it or you force someone to inhale smoke who doesn't want to be exposed to the smoke.

Seperating clubs into smoking and non smoking? - Surely being adults we can see all sides of this issue and act like adults and respect others peoples health and opinions all in one by just smoking in a ventilated area or a smoking area. At least if I CHOOSE to go and sit outside with the smokers it is my CHOICE to breathe in their smoke then.

LOL at Funky 

*gives Lexy a smoke*

On the topic of illegal drugs not hurting people other than the users...try telling the staff who work in those emergency departments in the hospitals, having their resources wasted and sometimes under physical threat by ice junkies in a psychotic episode. Not to mention juiced out people hogging ER resources....

I am not against illicit drugs by any means I just reckon that that statement just isn't true.

And RE: Canadian bands.... RUSH motherfuckers!

True that but thats once they have overdosed on the drugs - similar things happen with someone overdosed on alcohol or alot of other drugs - prescribed drugs inlcuded if for the wrong person or again overdosing...

It's still taking away resources, paramedic crews etc. from another emergency where the delay could hurt that other person.

To summarise:



 


I think I'll sit this one out for a while now...that was getting off topic hahahaha

Coming from a family of nurses who've told me first hand, I think you'll find that alcohol causes far much more problems for emergency departments and their staff...

It's just that shows like ER would get kind of boring if they showed the truth of the matter week after week...

Yeah I think we are all in agreeance about the problems alcohol imposes on medical staff I just disagreed with the statement that illicit drugs only hurt the users when it's simply not true. Not even going into the impact on people's families and friends which I have witnessed first-hand and heard/read about...

My 2c on the original debate is that I will love not reeking like smoke after being out that will be awesome!
I also remember when I was at Craze at St. Paul's last year, right up front I was surrounded by smokers, absolutely in a haze of smoke and I was choking hardcore, I don't think I've ever had a problem like that before, must have been because it was in a smaller confined dancefloor...and I remember thinking at the time...geez it'll be great when those laws come in!

On an off-topic note...that's some fine 80's business you have in your recent playlist J!

No offence, but this is what gets me. Surely, if you're that opposed to smoking and passive smoking... then surely, you would choose to avoid it in a venue that is smoke free?

If you are choosing to spend a good portion of your night in the designated smoking area, how is that any different to going out to a club now? In fact, I think it would be worse. I remember going to a concert at the Entertainment Centre and the designated smoking area was so rank, I didn't really want to smoke out there myself...

Most places are very well ventilated and airconditioned, it's not like you are having someone blow smoke into your face all night. I personally think that it's going to be much worse in a designated smoking area, than what it's like right now... for a non smoker, or smoker.

Why do non-smokers 'own' the inside of pubs and clubs anyway? These places were deisgned and created with the very purpose of giving smokers, drinkers and gamblers somewhere to congregate, somewhere to meet like-minded folk, somewhere to escape their nagging husbands/wives who have issue with their smoking/gambling/drinking. That's why all these things were legal to begin with. If anything, the pubs and clubs have gradually become shitter because non-smokers/drinkers/gamblers have gotten their clean little fingers in our dirty little pie. That is what pisses me off. This shit was all good and legal FIRST! You non-smokers chose to frequent these places and have taken ownership, denying the real patrons who made it what it is the ability to continue doing what they love. Everything is gradually being taken OUT of the pubs and clubs. What does that say? It says to me that us smokers just have to wear the shit that the non-smokers throw around. Hey, we were there first, but you know. What does that say about choice? Smokers don't have any. That is what. You made the choice to check our haunts out, now you're making the choice to tell us what to do. Now I'm making the choice to whinge about it.

As for drugs, alcohol, ciggies... what's worse?
What a silly question! They're all fucked and do much damage. Also they all have their benefits and are responsible for many a great night for me. You can't say which is the lesser of these three evils. Everyone has their own vices, so everyone will have a different opinion. I'll defend all three to my death, but I do know all three are also responsible for great pain, suffering and tragedy.

I'd hate to be one of those glass pub ashtray manufacturers right now...share prices plummeting! 

I'm a very heavy smoker and all I can say is, you other smokers whinging and complaining like little bitches are really coming across as tools on here.

As a fellow future cancer sufferer I would love to take your side but your honestly sounding like absolute dicks.

dont worry i cant even be fucked reading this thread listening to a bunch of wahs wahs

I smoke a bit and I dont give a fuck

The laws the law. Cant change it unless you change how ya vote

I don't believe there's any reason to slag off people for having a differing opinion to yourself.

I'm actually slagging you guys off because you're sounding like whinging bitches, even though YOU HAVE TO KNOW that your argument is wrong.

Majority rules eh? I don't give a fuck how much of a dick I look. I also don't give a fuck if other people disagree with me. I don't hold that against them, or have a differing opinion of them because of that. I just think the new rules are bullshit and decided to post my opinion on this thread to say so.
If you don't like people posting their opinions, sounding like dick/bitches/whingers/tools/etc or not, then is there really a reason for having forums like this? I thought that was the point, open discussion about relevant topics. Sorry I make you smokers look like bitches, but I didn't like the fact this thread started up and immediately there were 20 or 30 posts celebrating. I don't wanna celebrate this. Thought I'd say so.

We wouldn't sound like whinging bitches if we agreed with your opinion, now would we? I couldn't give a toss what you think I sound like.

Some people think the new laws are great. Some people don't. So we're having a discussion about it.

All you're doing is coming in here and insulting people. If you don't have anything relevant to add to the discussion, get out of the thread.

cant wait for the stench of people to take over from the smoke.
nothin worse than fierce body odour and stinky club carpet

i reckon its a great move



ps: hello lexy's uterus   

Actually, its my personnal choice to come on here and insult you. I'm pretty sure you're all for personnal choice.

So, my personnal choice right now is to say GO FUCK YOURSELF!

Now, if your against people abusing each other and fighting over pointless shit then why come on the internet, especially on a forum?
I'm pretty sure thats the way you view things so you shouldnt have a problem with that.

***meow***







 

keep it civil thanks kiddies. back on topic, any more posts like that might disappear.

I'm not a huge fan of the new law, simply because as I work in a bar it's going to suck telling people not to smoke. Also our outdoor area closes at 12 due to noise pissing people upstairs off. This means people will go in and smoke in the toilets, which means the urinals will get blocked up. And guess who will have to unblock them. me. This will suck.

I am a smoker. I am happy with the new laws. I won't miss the acrid smell in my clothes & hair after a night in a pub or the sting of smoke in my eyes from being in a dutched out club.

I also think that these new laws will help in the "quitting" process for some. A lot of people smoke more socially than not, why would you smoke socially when it's been made a taboo & such a hassle to go outside the venue to do so...?

If the government was all for everyone's health, as they claim to be, they would make tobacco illegal. But then I guess that would raise a little question in their heads... "People's health or more money to line our pockets?"

 

Na there not completely smoke free. The machines are arranged in sections, some smoking machines and some non smoking machines away from each other. I was speaking to some people at the cass and they said that you will still be allowed to smoke in certain areas, just not in the loco or balcony bars.

i remember the big crash of the foil mc donalds ashtray man... devo d

I'm a vocal teacher and if i go out my voice is trashed for 2 days after. Ventilation is rarely adequate. smokers DO blow smoke in your face - maybe they aren't all as polite as you think, and half the time they don't notice.

I don't like coming home with a smokers cough when i never smoke... Bring on the ban i cant wait!

I am a  super big fan of smoking and again i will say the only real issue i have with the smoking ban here in the uk is the fact that you can smell some pretty wrong stuff now that you can't smell smoke. You'll see...

Actually some clubs in the Eastern States are putting fragrances in their air con systems to replace the masking effect of the smoke.

Nasty business needing to be masked includes (but is not limited to) bad toilets, marinated carpets and gag-inspiring patrons.

fair enough too dear. it wasn't directed at you to be honest. it's just a general attitude from non smokers that really irritate me. just that your post seemed to sum it up pretty well.

again, just to re-iterate, i'm all for the ban. anything to slow down my intake can only be beneficial for me, both health wise, and financially.

I know the smell your talking about. I can smell it on myself the next day when I wake up after work, and it is bad enough masked by cigarette smoke.

 

yeh when i went to NZ (You cant smoke in the clubs there) and saw bulletproof, fuk me there were alot of stinking men. sweating it out. was disgusting.

Wear deodorant boys! 

You should try going to a big metal gig. Even smoke can't block out the smell of that.

Although totally inconvenient on a cold night, discouraging smoking is overall better for everyones health.

Why this has happened before pokies have been banned i have no idea. Maybe its because the government makes more money off poker machines than cigerettes!!! 

this will be ghey only for the fact that i love to take a spliff or seven out with me to smoke. they look like ciggies so i can get away with it, but not anymore eh?

the venues make a shitload of money too... newly renovated pub near here with the pokie room being the first room opened in the new place days before the rest of the pub was finished..... very wrong. off topic though.

fuck, that is wrong!!!

and yes it is a lil off topic but a worthy point.

better start quitting

I'm guessing you're referring to the Orient?
If so, there is a prime example of why pokies along with tobaccoo will never be banned.

It's all about the $$!

first place that popped in my head!

This week is the last week for me to have to DJ in a smokey environment. Yay.
I will have so much less washing to do now. I have an extra two or three outfits I have to wash after playing in a smoking venue. Now that will be a thing of the past. 
Plus its really weird the next time i got to my record bag I can smell the smoke on the sleeves of the records. Not to menting the crap that is all over them.
BRING IT ON!!!!!!

yeah no shit, i saw that, that's totally wack.


can't say i'm gonna enjoy having to go outside whenever i want a cigarette, but i can totally understand why they're implementing these laws.

and who knows, maybe it'll even do good for me!

summer parties are going smell putrid.

agree with you sera though. i may be a little healthier for it.

that's it, everywhere that the law has already come in are noticing the foul stench of BO, vomit etc...

but yeah, does this apply to smoke machines, coz fuck, they are way worse than cigarette smoke...  i seriously can't breathe when there's a big puff of smoke machine smoke!!

i love it... smells like vanilla 

it smells like vanilla???

that's some fucking strange vanilla you're smelling kurko!!

i have smokers smell

girl farts smell like raisins to me

i like it too!! i dunno, its not a bad smell for me, and i dont find it too annoying most nites out...

it's not so much the smell, it's the thickness of it...  and takes away all my air, my cigarettes don't take that much...  selfish fucking smoke machines

guess my healthy non-smoker lungs can deal with it

I work in the industry and do not smoke. I did smoke a while back, but even then I was excited to hear we were going smoke-free. It sucks to ask someone what they'd like to drink then have them order whilst breathing a lungfull of smoke into your face. All for it.

Lexy, sure smoking is legal and sure you should have some place to do it and not be bugged, but everyone acknowledges that it is a highly addictive drug. It's common sense, in my opinion, that there needs to be rules, regulations and restrictions as to not expose more people to it and in an effort to bring smoking numbers further down.

When the first phase of the process (1 metre rule, 25% of gaming machines and at least one bar in a multi-bar venue smoke free) came through, it made a huge difference for hospitality. Many laugh at the 1 metre rule, but it not only meant less smoke around you but it also made smokers realise just how much more concious they had to be of when/where they lit up.

Also at this time, it was announced that the high-rollers room of the casino would be the only licensed area legal for smoking. Not sure if that's still applicable (after all, just because the customers are richer and probably tip well, does it mean that staff safety is any less of an issue?). I'm also curious of humidors/cigar lounges. It's obviously a place where people expect to sit down to enjoy their stogie but the laws must force places like that to reconsider their line of action (ie. put people out of business!).

I'm pretty sure you can get special scented smoke machines
some do smell like vanilla!

Yep, they have scented smoke machines. I've not smelt vanilla, but have smelt strawberry!

I wanna meet the dude that came up with those machines! Dropping scented oil onto a hotplate with a fan blowing it everywhere...
 
HTF do you come up with that???

he was probably a smelly dude...if it was a dude..

Ditto. I am not happy about it though! I find that getting alcohol on the decks/record bags/lighting equipment does far more damage than a bit of ash. Ban cunts putting their drinks near the turntables and let me smoke my ciggies!!!

Yeah, when Im at work I always steal peoples drinks straight away if they put them near the dj console

Case in point tonight when some drunken fool spilled a drink on the cdj1000 and the platter stopped working for an hour!

Good thing it was only 80's shit and we didn't actually have to properly mix!!! 

nobody smokes here anymore.... smoke free night out tonight lets see how many people remember after a few pints

Yee haw! 

gunna be a sweaty stinkfest with all the ravers at St Pauls this weekend

 

not to mention my poobum 

 

we had an influx of people come to my pub last night at about 11.45 to have one pint and their final smoke!!

i went to my local last night and me and the old man had a few pints and smokes

i did the same!  cheers to last smokes!!

Did the same at the Cumby last night!

all i can say is THANK FUCK FOR THAT!!! its about time smoking was banned in clubs and pubs down here. its been banned in Qld since september last year at least!!

im in the UK and we have been smoke free now for a few monthes.

The clubs did suffer a little bit to start with and the "smokin areass" are a joke..

I have cut back on smoking a fair bit but still cant resist a ciggy with a beer when im totally hammered... "social smoker"

Anyways. Only shit thing about the smoking ban is the BO

Before the smoking ban, smoke masked the smell of stinky sweatty rotters. Now, its gross. You dont smell smoke you smell BO. 

the stench off BO has always been there you just couldnt semll it before as you were smoking

I do remember smoking two cigarettes at once about 5 mintues before midnight.

I know the ban is better than worse, but it sucks big time having to go outside to smoke when drinking/partying etc.

gosh it rocked waking up this morn and not having a cough/clogged nose from the smoke, and not smelling like smoke either!!!!

didnt seem to affect the general mood of the places I was at...

At shenanigans some fat mc guy decided to make the dj stop the music and make everyone vote on the law, and then made a smoker and a non smoker have a rock paper scissors comp to see who was better. Worst mc ever. Mischief is much better.

I hope the smoker did us proud!

Being forced to smoke outside last night, thoroughly ruined the vibe of the night for me and many other smokers as well.

I wonder how long it will be before we aren't allowed to smoke on the pavement out the front of venues.

The sooner they ban smoking in public better. ATM I fucking hate having to catch a tram and there are heaps of smokers chaining smokes before they get on the tram. Then as soon as they are about to depart they have there smokes lined up and ready to go. Its a disgusting Habit.

i was reading the smoking policy at the hilton for staff/contractors/etc and not only can't they smoke in the building but they have to be 10 metres from the building when smoking

U'll find most public places enforce a ban from smoking within 10 metres of doors, entrances, windows and air vents.

it was horrible at my work. people would have a cig in their mouth before they even left the building and light up as they are walking out the door... addict much? and on top of that they lined the streets for about 15 metres in both directions, so anyone who wanted to get in or out of the place had to run thru a tunnel of smoke to get anywhere... not a good look...

The law was brought in because its a vote-winner. I fucking love a good smoke, and the last few nights just haven't felt right having to stand outside in the cold to enjoy an old friend. I'm calling discrimination here.

I bet there was a time when people could actually smoke ON the tram.

It pisses me off how we can't bloody smoke anywhere. I enjoy smoking, it's not illegal and I should be able to smoke when I get off the bus, or train or tram, deal with it, seriously.


I don't understand that and I think that's wrong. Wait until you get outside and around the corner or whatever before lighting up. I hate standing next to doorways and smoking because I know people hate it. However, we should be able to smoke somewhere!!!!!!

These laws don't make me want to quit. I enjoy having a cigarette and I'm not going to be forced into quitting. I'll quit when I'm good and ready!

I can just remember when people used to smoke on the bus 

They must have only made that illegal in the mid to late 80's!

 I remember when women didn't used to get to vote.

 Good times.

The oppression of women is kinda different.

No it's not.... if I want to oppress women it's my choice and I should be allowed to do it in public if I want to 

 

were you like this in high school?

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22704243-13762,00.html

UHHHHHHHH.... No.

So is pickin ya nose 

i had to go outside to smoke at maz's birthday show saturday night.

certainly didn't detract from any fun i was having. probably enjoyed it a little more in that i could get out for a bit to be honest and chill out.

fuck oath!!  i would have absolutely no voice if we were able to smoke in the karaoke room!  i didn't mind it at all!!

Thats pretty discriminatory right there. I don't smoke in places like that but to say ban smoking in public? It's my choice and I'll do it in public If I want, although I will mind where I do it. Drinking is pretty bad for you as well isn't it. Might as well ban drinking at the same time? I'll keep smoking my dirty cancer sticks in public thankyou.

 

 Every time without fail.

 Not even relevant to the argument.

Not really no. meh

anyone who wants to continue smoking is a bloody dickhead.

end of story.

 I wouldn't go that far.

 It is entirely their choice.

 But at least I don't have to endure it now.

I used to go out with a french dude who told me that In paris, they are allowed to smoke at school!

fkn french 

he was probably smoking cock..

 

Damn. That's harsh. Thought for about 15 minutes for a nice way to respond to that, but there isn't one so I'll say nothing.

me and my friends included.

i smoke, doesnt mean i WANT to smoke. never would i stand up for your right to smoke. that would be ludicrous. its your fault that you're hooked, it was your choice, you should have to deal with the fact that its fucked for everyone else, and respect their right to not deal with your bad decisions.

personally i absolutely HATE being friends with non smokers, going round to visit, ducking out for a smoke and coming back smelling like a dirty fucking ashtray, not that i didnt smell like that in the first place. i feel so rude and disgusting.

hope that makes things a little clearer.

yeh im almost sure thats true
we had a french exchange student stay with us a while ago and she said pretty much that.
i think she also mentioned sumthing bout hanging out at the school on a friday night, smoking durrys n shit

 strange stuff.

you're allowed to smoke at school in Australia!

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22696091-421,00.html



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Old news Mr. Moderator read the rest of the thread next time! 

happy?

 

sorry but :o)
I just burst out laughin here and now everyones looking at me odd 

Fuck if she's that stressed that much, just prescribe some Xanax...

fuckin year 10  ohhhh soooo hard 

If she can't pass year 10 without constant smoke breaks it's about time to admit your daughter will never rise above the rank of sandwich artist

I dare say she would probably kill herself from blood loss due to an unfortunate series of butter knife related injuries.

now ya talkin Richie xanex ftw

I think I may hop on the boat right now.

How are people going with this still?

Anyone been busted? 

I'm finding I havent been staying out as long when I hit the town. If it's somewhere like Crown & Sceptre it hasn't been an issue as you can still smoke & be involved in the action. I find though when I'm at places like Gabrielles (HQ), the smoking option is the balcony, where you can hardly hear the music and it's generally crowded and uncomfortable. It gets old pretty quickly and I find it difficult to really get into a night there as a result.

The only other shows I've been to since it came in were PVD & Enchanted, both of which I could smoke at. It will be the same for Summer Break which I'm extremely happy about. The big test for me will be a D-Bridge  when I have to choose between my nicotine addiction and quality tunes.

Gabrielles at HQ was certainly a test for me, in the end tunes prevailed (beats that fucking balcony), I found myself drinking more to compensate for lack of smoking action (a good trade imo).
Thinking about it, I've come to the conclusion that I'd rather smell of tobacco smoke than smell stinking randoms when I'm out and about. There are some stinking muthafuckers out there.

I'm not a smoker, but I wandered out on the balcony at Patch's farewell only to be told by the security guard If I'm finished smoking, to go back inside as its a safety risk with a lot of people on the balcony (or something similar along those lines), WTF! 

If its not safe for a lot of people to on it, it should be shut & another area opened up up for the smokers!

they have the smoking ban over here in the uk as well. apart from one really rotten fart (wasnt me, i swear ) it hasnt smelt too bad.

Sure sure!     

They're introducing additional restrictions in many states here in Germany as well. Lots of small "Eckkneipen" will probably go broke because of it. They're the tiny corner pubs frequented by locals (men usually) who literally stand there in a tiny bar full of smoke and drink... They just won't survive with the bans.

Tons of people who are addicted just stop going out completely because of the bans. No doubt some time soon there'll be some research showing how many hospitality venues (pubs) have had to close or lost a lot of business because of the bans.

It's raining ... SUCKED IN SMOKERS ! Having to stand out in the RAIN tonight if you want a cigarette ! STINKY CUNTS !!

That reminds me of a joke:

What's the smelliest thing in the world?

An anchovies cunt.

 

and comparing that smoking related illness on passive smokers and the effect on the economy?
i can say that ive been tipped over the edge of illness (when fighting off a cold already) after being in a particularly smoky venue... though having a chuff is worse.

anyway if these venues just chucked in decent exhaust fans, i wouldnt give a fuck about smokers lighting up indoors. at all.

Harden the fuck up!

AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I was nearly kicked out of earth a week ago I was so paro, I kept lighting ciggies and security kept coming up to me saying "If you light one more ciggie Im gonna kick you out!" I then turned to the guy next to me and said "so what happens again if we smoke in here"

bahahaha

maggot

I wasn't really comparing to that, but if you look in the small world of those who run the venues I'm sure many of them will worse off...

big rooms with big crowds like hq main room now always stink of bad B/O in summer i hate it. before the smoke at least covered the BO smell

yeah they need to invest in some ambi pur electronic air freshener gadgets.