The Future of DnB in Adelaide

Whilst listening to the High Contrast essential mix I've had a heap of thoughts going thru my mind so I've decided to start this thread.

Whilst the HC mix got a little too cheesy for my liking near the end, I couldnt help but think that this style is quite possibly the saviour of DnB in terms of getting a new audience and getting numbers back to shows. There are bits here that may be rather cringe worthy to the headz on here, but you just know if this was being played at a Parklife or Enchanted there would be a very packed dancefloor going absolutely crazy to it.

Could High Contrast be the person to breathe life into DnB and get new faces listening to it?

In recent times the DnB scene in Adelaide has always looked to the rave scene, the hard house crew in particular, for new faces to bump up numbers at events. But to be totally honest the rave scene is pretty much dead - its an outdated concept and numbers at shows are proving that. Sure, guys like Andy C & Shy FX attract ravers but are there really that many ravers left to attract? More and more it seems the younger kids coming into the scene (basically the future of the dance scene) are more into the electro housey fluro 80's thing. Thats the direction the Eastern states have been going for some time and thats what is being played at the busiest clubs around town. These are the people who are keen to go out each weekend. These are the people we need to start listening to DnB and coming to shows if we want things to improve.

Unfortunately they arent going to be interested in the big name DJs that the DnB headz get into. The sickest new Break tune is more likely to scare them away rather than impress them. Pendulum did the job a few years back because it had strong rave elements that the hard dance crew could relate to. As a result the DnB scene went through a growth period. Personally, I could see the music on this HC Essential Mix having the same kind of effect on these electro 80's kids. Personally I hate that In a Ga Gidda whatever track..... but I have no doubt it will be one of the biggest tunes of the summer. Hopefully there are some DJs and promoters out there willing to think bigger than what they read on places like AM and push this stuff. It may mean we all have to endure some music we don't like as much at events this summer, but its still gotta be better than another bloody all Pendulum set we're subjected to every few weeks atm.

I'm keen to hear other peoples thoughts on the matter. 

Listening now... may post thoughts later.

Very interesting points made. Being a relatively new fan of DnB I can safely (and warily) say that it was the far more mainstream and accessible sounds of it that drew me in, in the beginnning. I didn't come from a raver background (high school punk rock fan and some electronica through uni) but like many got into Hold Your Colour on the advice of friends. From there I started going to gigs, listening out for other DJs and producers I enjoyed and tuned in when I could to Rollerz.

These days I listen to a far wider range of DnB, however I noticed that there was a little bit of animosity by some towards the more mainstream/cheesy/liquid etc end of the spectrum. I've always been very open to (almost) all genres of music and like to appreciate different styles depending on my mood or whatever, but I guess in almost all genres of music there are those who tend to focus more on the techier/harder/darker/more underground sounds - while shying away from the poppier (is that the right word) sounds.

I suppose that there will always be a bit of that and in all honesty I don't have much of a problem with it at all. That said, from my point of view it is usually the more accessible and inevitably mainstream styles that get the new fans.

(I hope this made some kind of sense.)

well i've met some people who were at parklife and they like abit of dnb so i reckon this mix will be good for educating them... much like the brazilian job was 4+ years ago

Not quite sure where the "cringe-worthy" parts are cos I thought this was a stellar set, but... then again, I've always been one who has loved these sounds over the harder, darker, techier sounds. Of course, I am also unashamed to say I love the cheesy shit.

Perhaps the fact that the darker, harder, techier sound has been pushed so much... this is why we aren't getting any new heads interested in the music? Perhaps the new kids are more interested in the fluro house thing because it's more fun?

I got into drum and bass through listening to old school jungle and hardcore (Slipmatt, Nicky Blackmarket etc). It was fun, great to dance to and made me happy. I can't stand going out and listening to a night of hard, techy stuff... it's not my cup of tea. If there were more sets like that one being played out, I know I would definitely spend more time on the dancefloor!


I concur.

High Contrast – ‘In A Gadda Da Vida’ (Hospital)

Bits like this are what I mean. But whilst I find them a bit "cringe-worthy" I have no doubt this will do more damage on the dancefloor at a big party than probably any other tune of the past 2 or 3 years.

I saw High Contrast two weeks ago at his album launch do and it was one of the best sets I have seen this year. Had a few friends there who were not regular D&B club regulars and they loved it. He did keep that Gabbada Habbada track firmly in his box though which was nice.

There is no doubt that HC is a good DJ/producer and his mixes are tight as, but thats not what this topic is about. Its whether his style could bring more people into the dnb scene. Noddy makes a great point and I would tend to agree that this could be a good thing for the Adelaide Massive!

So, lets just put this right out there. Which promoter is going to take on the job of getting him out here? whats to say its not already in the pipelines? MPK, will we see HC at Enchanted? (not trying to start runours either) 

Most of the way through and I totally agree, I don't class this as cheesy. But to really take advantage of this music to better our scene you have to get people to listen to/buy it. This requires advertising and radio time, which isn't going to happen is it... so how else are you going to get these beats vibrating through some new heads???

EDIT: Alright the mix does cheese up a lil towards the end. But still not too shabby...

IMO no-one does 'stadium' d&b better than High Contrast (with the exception of Pendulum & Subfocus). If you look back he's been dropping several tunes with that big stadium feel consistently for a while now. Tunes like Basement Track, Lights Go Down and Days Go By are all shining examples of tunes that gave me goosebumps when I first heard them and can still do so now. Many of my friends who like d&b but aren't into as much as myself and most on this board, still go bananas whenever I play them or it's heard in a mix.

If anything playing our shows at the Worldsend to random crowds has shown me that if you want to get non-heads into the scene, this is the type of music to do it. It doesn't have to be a whole set of all 'cheese' (fuck I hate that classification), you can bring in plenty of more obscure 'headz' tunes throughout the set to break it up, just as long as these more accessible sounds are continually being brought back into the mix to keep the tempo up, usually everyone's happy.

I'm not ashamed to play these types of tunes, even if you have heard them a million times, at the end of the day it's still fantastic quality music when you think about the many poor alternatives out there!

Yep.
Personally I've been overexposed to Neuro and can't be bothered listening to it in my car anymore.
It has lost it's originality and SO many tracks are coming out that have a 'Generic Neuro' style. Often disinteresting.

I think that a new direction is needed.
Not just 'for the Kids' but for Adelaide DnB heads also.
Some diversity.

Bring back the prevalence of some 'lighter' styles, some 'tekkier' styles, some more 'intelligent' styles.

 

Yeh i reckon sometimes that does happen, you hear too much of something and it gets a lil meh. Its important to have variety i reckon in order to be able to appreciate something to the max...

I think it is going to happen. Before hearing this mix the only place I had heard any new HC bits was on Triple J and Fresh Fm so obviously it is getting play. In fact, once I heard ‘In A Gadda Da Vida’ played on Triple J on a Friday night followed by the 2 presenters discussing how incredible the tune was and that they were hoping to be buried to that tune as it was so good. Now, that is the kind of coverage that guys like Break, Noisia, Andy C etc just arent going to get.

Whilst we're talking about all this, maybe another question that needs to be asked is, is neuro killing DnB?

Neuro + Pendulum = Killed D'n'B

????

Pendulum is one of the few acts who have actually breathed life into DnB over the past 4 years so I really dont know what you mean. If we thought the current state of DnB in Adelaide was bad, I'd hate to think what we'd be like if Pendulum hadn't brought new interest into the genre.

Just so i'm clear, Neuro is the sounds generally coming from BSE, Noisa, etc???

I dunno if its killing it, its just another outlet. Another substream. Might be killing it in adelaide though

But maybe the other styles are being taken over by it which is effecting the new punters

I dont know if its the music either, maybe its some of the attitudes of some of the people who like it? Generally I have found that the harder the style of music the more close minded the listeners are to a wide variety of music ( i think some people are not gonna like me saying that LOL). Everyones a fkn specialist. Takes away the peace love and xtc one love vibe i reckon

I know a while back i kinda went down that path but now i am a lil older I have learned to just enjoy what makes me happy. These days im not shy to say what i love even if its cheesey house  

okay the Pendulum thing was a DOA-inspired (rehashed) joke.

I def don't think Neuro is killing D&B here (can't talk for abroad). But I do think that many people (non headz) think all/most drum & bass is along the lines of the Neurofunk sound. If they hear some more liquid, atmos sounds they assume it is something totally different. If you were to walk into a club playing Drum n Bass (no matter the time), 9 times outa 10 you'd here some hard techy to Neuro sounds.

To sum up, I basically think the average punter thinks we're all devil worshippers or somethin
We need to educate them that there is such a wide variety of sounds out there for everyones tastes in music!!!

D&B started dying when it wasnt cool to like wobble anymore...  Jump up used to get the crowds going... just check Mampi Swift the other night... havent seen that many people going off to dance floor D&B since Andy C @ HQ...

I think Neuro/ Tech is really for the 'In' crowd and usually has a pretentiousness/ arrogance from the 'In' crowd making it less accessable to newbies... IMO...

I remember when it was all about getting loose & having fun... hardly a trainspotter in sight...

DnB started dying because of wobble IMO, the earlier stuff was ok, but when the cheese started getting outright offensive dnb crowds in Adelaide started to take a dive.  I know a lot of people that gave up on dnb in 04/05ish due to the lack of decent tunes.  The neuro sound is a repeat/redo of the early bad Co & Virus stuff and dnb attendances was far from dying back in those days (granted things are a bit different these days). 

Whats killing dnb crowds is the frequency of shows, and subgenres (ie im not gonna go to that show coz they play nothing but...)

(all IMO  )

I disagree with that, it's not like headz really go out of their way to make new faces feel uncomfortable at events. Quite the opposite from my experiences. I just think the sound is not quite as noob friendly if you know what I mean.

I've said it before, but Drum & Bass will never be mainstream music. It is too fullon for the average punter, this is prob why there has been so much crossover from Hard House, gabba, etc, crews in the past. So like Noddy said, maybe some of these summery HC (and others) sounds might get the attention of more of the house crowds.

While this may be good overall for the growth of the scene and the promoters, I have doubts as to if it will make the scene more enjoyable to be involved in... which is why we all go out so god damn often!!!

Fair enough... I agree that the sounds being pushed these days are less noob friendly than those being played in 2004 when D&B seemed to be @ its biggest in Adelaide...

We need another home of D&B... wish Traffic was still around...

A home of Drum & Bass hey... again I disagree. People get bored of venues, especially if they are attending the place most weekends.
I like how we've been moving around a bit lately, it keeps things fresh.

yeh too much wobble and i start cringing. I would rather listen to a bit of jump up which is a lil more dancefloor friendly

Do you really really believe that? Fuk I have brought newbies to dnb events and they thought most of the people there were really snobby. And to be honest its true. Unless you go up and introduce yourself (which i  do, but I tell ya what I have been snubbed loads of times from dnb heads) there is no way anyone ever will come up and speak to you.


Not that I personally give a fuk though   but i tell you what, you ask anyone who goes out regulary to club nites, and they arent into drum and bass, they will say to you the DnB heads are the worst of the lot.

there is a wicked crew of DnB heads out there and i have made wicked friends from going out but hey its very true that it is a hierarchal culture.

our best selling stuff is neuro biz, flies out the doors.  imagine inbound with no funk!

high contrast is a genius, definetly great for the scene. someone bring him here please he is well overdue.

shapeshifter have been gold for the scene in 07 too, lasty liquid style rollers with great vocals. this appeals to lots of people from other genres too.

i definetley think liquid needs to be out there a bit more too.

from HQ to St Pauls & Back again? OR the C&S where the room is too small or ELH where it shuts @ 3??    

Maybe I was at a different show. Mampi was good but the crowd definitely thinned out as his set went on. An hour into his set and the dancefloor was half what it was at the start.

And another thing. Mampi was just playing old hits - nothing new and exciting. If DnB is to continue growing and have a future it isnt going to be Mampi style DJs playing the same Pendulum & Ram tunes from 4 years ago. Thats why I'm so into this High Contrast mix. Its a new sound, a fresh sound, but most importantly a commercially accessible sound. Thats what is needed more than DJs just playing hits of the past.

Thats a bit rough!

Not EVERYONE in the DnB scene is a snob....

 I don't think that shutting at 3 is so bad, better to have to kick everyone out at 3 while they are screaming for more than to have the floor thin out until 4 or 4.30. Leaves a much better impression of the night.

 

 

 

oh look theres a new person, i better go introduce my self.  maybe if i say hi ill get laid too

I do agree & i noticed it thinned out too.. I though maybe Mampi played a bit too late????

On the subject of new & exciting & the future... Im STILL obsessed with Alix Perez's mix up on JJJ... thats the future im looking forward too... & of course, High Contrast has been doing it for years for me!!

AGREED!

Many times I have heard people say they wish that Traffic was still around... I, myself, have spoken to friends that we do need another 'Traffic'.

 I bet Blake wishes he had a dollar for every time someone says that

Exactly. I started going out regularly to parties with just Noble, over the past two years I have met most of the people involved in the scene. Not everyone gets along, but the peace is kept and everyone is usually civil towards each other. Just because 2 people don't have alot to say to each other, doesn't mean either of them is being a snob.

I've brought friends out with me and they have always been welcomed by my immediate crew. But admittedly they have said that because they aren't into the music a great deal, they felt like outsiders until they got on the level and relaxed.


 

well yeah traffic was good when it was good, but there was also plenty of dead boring quiet nights.

but a venue of that calibre would be sweet.

Oh another thing from the perspective of someone fairly new to the scene is that I get the impression that Adelaide definately has a good base of DnB fans for one of the smaller capital cities in Australia. When I went around Europe and mentioned that we have somewhere to catch DnB from Wed through to Sat (no idea if this is the case anymore), people were quite surprised because some places needed to wait weeks for a DnB night.

I've talked to some friendly people at shows, but mostly I'm just with my close friends I go with. I don't think the 'scene' is particularly unwelcoming at all, Wednesdays at the Cumby are a good example of this I find.

nah i know that. Hell Im not a snob. LOL

however perception is that we are.

 

you DnB snob you 

so snob or sleaze?   no one can win

I agree with Dave, pretty much from the first night I started going out to dnb I've met someone new everytime! I know there is a lot of politics but compared to other scenes I've been in, dnb is reeally friendly and is like dare I say it a "family". As in I can go out by myself and know there will be plenty people to talk to. You can strike up a conversation with pretty much anyone! Hmm I guess we can be snobbish to some n00bs when they clearly have no idea, like munted candy ravers who get up on stage and *try* to dance and cant speak propely

Yeh boys cant win i guess. Must be hard for the poor bastards

yes I can relate to that  I am the first one to get irritated 
 
I dunno, I guess I have had a few people say that to me now that are noobs and it was just something I thought I would share.

And I have noticed there is a lil 'clickyness' but i guess that happens everywhere. Ive always said it and i will continue to say it. However the more ravers I meet the more I recognise there is a wide variey of awesome peops too

I was spinning out @ Mampi Swift because all these random people were coming up and talking to me.. then i realised thats how it used to be and that i must have changed to be a little freaked out by it... 

friday nights on triple j (after 10 i think) is really good exposure for drum and bass in australia. the funktrust guys play abit of house, breaks, funk, dnb, etc that appeals to a mass audience and is across the country. big up

on the topic of snobs i don't reckon it's too bad, if you have abit of confidence you'll make friends easily. i'm a pretty shy person, if i'm not introduced to someone i won't talk to them, thats just how i am, i wouldn't think thats really a snob-ish way to be, not like i give evil stares or anything!

and the politics side of things i reckon is on par with any other scene in adelaide especially cos it's such a small city and everyone loves to party and get sketchy.

ahh traffic.... if only people remembered that the bar moved before it shut hey.....

I think the bigger events are what will attract new listeners, especially if they have a huge unforgettable experience .
DnB is sorta cheesy by nature if you ask me. It's easy to see why people think it's a little tacky at times, but I would hate it if it was so big and so cheesy that it just turned me right off it.
Pendulum gets so cheesy its retarded, but I still dig most of their tunes, wierd huh?

Music is all about moods for me. These days I'm hardly ever in the mood for Pendulum, however catch me in the right one (usually an intoxicated one) and I'm going stupid without a care in the world!

 so what's all this WARBLE bashing about.....?
 I have yet 2 see a proppa WARBLE track fail to tear a dancefloor ...
 WTF...? just stay in your corner and leave WARBLE alone....
   I make friends with all kinds of DNB.... but you gotta love the WARBLE bizz
                                                                             
                                                                                  ....nuff said

heya

I run 3 nights in the UK.

One in Leamington, one in Gloucester and Ive done nights in Brixton Mass London, Germany Bremen and also Coventry.

Ive had our nights in Gloucester running since 2003 - and we started off with just 30 people through the door at £3

I know its probably totally different - but I think the concept is the same whether your in the UK or Germany, or quite possibly Australia.

Hopefully I will be in Melbourne next year though I'm not too sure how things will pan out, our nights are really doing very well at the moment and it seems a shame to leave the UK when we are onto a good vibe.

The dnb scene is healthy in the UK - and even more so in Germany. Portgual has some really good events going on and USA seem to be picking up in new states now.

It seems a shame to hear that you guys struggle...

Its not so much that Adelaide is struggling. It's just that events have certainly dropped off from where they were 3-4 years ago.

One of the reasons for starting this thread is in the hope that some discussion can take place to find a new direction for the scene in order to secure a healthy future.

But no wobble please. For the love of god, no wobble.

I'm came from a kind of weird direction into drum and bass. I have listened to death metal for years, and I listened to Calyx's 05.2 mix at a CD shop and fell in love with it. Picked up Guerilla Warfare (Grooverider, Loxy and DJ Ink) a few days later and loved that as well. I personally prefer much heavier/darker and tech dnb over pendulum and liquid. But hey if I go to the grand after work for the last few songs and they're drum and bass I don't complain.

   Hey lets have a whole night of WARBLE tunes....get the dancefloor heaving 4 sur....
   {and of course,the peeps not into the WARBLE sound can STAY HOME..!}

            YER MATE...i'm not into that nursery rhyme DNB
                                                                                             

id say thats the prob right there, need a variety of all styles in one night. brings out all the peeps not just "wobble crew" or "tech crew".

nobody plays heaps of wobble in adelaide, never hear any when im out!

thats the  thing  matey we dooo stay home LOL thats what this thread is all about

so nobody could go 2/3 of the time?

seriously, i reckon for the last 18 months traffic was opened, most nights there were only a handful of people (the same people too mind you) there other than when there was an international playing.

everyone always says how much they miss the place now, but they weren't there to support it on the nights it really needed it.

all IMO of course.

i agree with simo too. there does need to be a broader spectrum of dnb being played at shows.

I wasn't around in the traffic days, but what you're saying is totally believable!!! It happens all the time, and this is one reason why I think events should be moved around. The nights don't get stale and there is more of a feeling that something DIFFERENT is on.

I think we are starting to get this braoder spectrum you speak of (still room for improvement, imo), but at the same time i have concerns that this will just result in liquid getting played early and hard stuff late at night. Then what you might find is we could start getting new faces in earlier and they will all scatter by midnight... lose, lose situation if you ask me. But we still need to give it shot and find out...

oh my fucking god what is wrong with people here? who give a fuck, move on will ya

Best post all day on here.

Yeah back on topic!!!

The Future of DnB in Adelaide is...








no doorlists! 

 

what he said! stop ur winging ladies.

End of the day, the party still goes on and its the promoters choice to put up door lists.

there's really only one person whinging though.

the argument is pretty stupid.

Group hug! 

youse bitches got told

I can tell you it gets more complicated than that. The percentage of people attempting to barter in Adelaide, even at the door, is staggering, haha. A lot of people become accustomed to wrangling a deal of some sort and kind of blind themselves to the fact promoters are constantly losing money because of this practice. On top of that, when they lose their list privilege they literally stay home in protest (of what I'm unsure). That means the gigs with no list that are representative of the "real" level of support out there look quieter and thus the payers become less inclined to jump on the next gig and you're back at square one dialing rent-a halfpriceentry-crowd to keep your payers happy with the vibe. Otherwise the scene you love is going to shrink. But hey when those payers get to talking and realise that if they hold the event to hostage that rent-a-crowd may call them, then they join the cycle of destruction too. Then what do you know, people are out there thinking the real deal must be that 150 odd people paying $12 to cover an internationals fee, plus hotel, meals, drinks and advertising does the trick... when its not even remotely close.

Honestly we've just had to stop it except for artists pretty much and its been a slow process of educating people about some harsh realities. I throw someone here and there a bone when I know they are strapped and i know that they care about how we're doing too but I'm all about letting people know how things really are rather than creating an illusion that helps to perpetuate a serious cancer eating away at our events and draining promoters of their ability to present innovative concepts and high calibre artists because people are willing to go, just not to help cover the costs.

Personally I think we're all adults and can acknowledge the need to treat everone equally and chip in if we want to create something beautiful. The satisfaction derived from that is so much greater than saving $10 here or there.

thankyou Dale

No problem. I think people are really getting it anyway man. I've noticed a lot of strong support and earlier ticket sales than normal for Summer Break.

yeah being in a business for life, i have noticed people do respect that u need to make money from ticket sales or in my case also record sales to live. imagine if we gave away records to people thats asked , we couldnt have a shop or any cash to do gigs or whatever and i would have to retire in the old persons home in my wheel chair.

all i know is some great parties comng up this summer  lets hope they do well.

oh and fluke had free entry to concord dawn recently as he won the comp on here, but paid and didnt care at all when i told him after that he forgot!

U gotta love the people that beg free entry 

True true true

The dance party scene is definately a seasonal thing
peops hibernate in the winter

 December is off the hook this year!

 Really hoping everyone gets behind both parties on the 28th and 29th. Have decided there is no way I am missing D-Bridge on that system considering how good he was last time.

 Can't wait! 

 

Yer, that weekend is going to be mental.

man o man i am meant to be driving to robe the next day I am seriously fucked

well being was the first person i thought of when i read this.

And what if this works in the same way it worked in the techno scene?

It became all about one person and as a result went from being the dominant music scene in this town to basically non-existant in a short space of time.

I'd rather DnB didn't go down that road.

i think techno's fate had more to do with the people running it, or lack of the right kind of people into it. maybe it's the same case with d&b.

Yeh i mean producing, jayar. someone that can play dynamic live sets, can be billed as a main live local attraction, and get people excited about it. The latest winner of a DOA remix comp was tragic. it was the biggest tripe of shit i've ever heard, it was clear their main mission was to make a tune sound as close to the pendulum formula as possible. It's a sad state of affairs when this kind of thing is encouraged & applauded in a scene. They don't care about the music, they just want the associated popularity and fame of what they think they get if they make a track sounding like this ".." , but they just look like fucking bell-ends.

The point i'm trying to make is there's a severe lack of creativity & thinking outside the square in d&b. The scene is sending out the wrong message, & in turn it's attracting the wrong kind of people... and it's quite apparent.

there are too many events, it's too watered down, too many dj's.. too many people with their own agenda/ego on their mind.

then again, we can just blame the insurgence of euro trance trash blinding everyone -fashion accessory clubbing for the masses - but that's way too easy!

it was a breakbeat kaos competition wasnt it, or at least a remix of a future prophecies tune off bbk.

RIP Adelaides tech scene, shame to see one of the best forms on electronic music so poorly represented, especially compared to how it was...

Are you saying HMC is at fault for this? hmmm I think he has contributed his fair share to the Adelaide dance scene. Dirty House/Juice records is a pretty substantial contribution IMO. Are you saying that HMC was the downfall to the techno scene?

HMC is still pushing the techno sounds, just because there is no market for it isnt his fault. Look what happened when hard house/NRJ exploded in adelaide. Can hardly blame HMC for people changing their preferences. If you are going to blame HMC then you might as well blame every techno DJ in Adelaide.

Anyways I kinda think this thread is hardly constructive at all. Whenever I read it I see people going in circles. Yeh its great to discuss Adelaides Drum and Bass scene, I fookin love it but I think we should be proud of it and not analyse it so much. Just go out and have a good time. Buy your tickets, get on the dancefloor and support it by having a good time. End of the day, arent DnB parties about going out, partying and listening to some tunes on a sound system ? Its just meant to be a social outlet.

Thats the difference between 4 and 5 years ago to now. Before it was about going out and having a good time and raving your ass off. The vibe has changed because we have allowed it to.

The promoters and clubs are still the fucking same, still moving in cycles and really all in all nothings changed there.

Its just everyone elses attitudes. 

**waits to be cut down**

 Agree - thread going in circles (somewhat)

 Disagree - promoters/clubs are the same as 4/5 years ago.

            - thread is not constructive.

 There has already been some changes come about from it. The Bounce night I suspect for one. I may be wrong.

 At least the guys putting on shows have an idea of what this small section of the community is thinking. May not be the best representation but it's better than nothing.

 

 

I don't think anyone was blaming HMC or anyone in particular for that matter.
Maybe you should read posts a bit more carefully before going off on rants Erika.

Where did I blame HMC?

The problem with techno is it became a scene solely reliant on HMC. When he went overseas and then stopped playing the scene basically stopped at the same time.

arr righto get it 

I was questioning it thats all

Sorry double post- but thats good to hear if changes are coming off the thread.

And yeh i guess you are right- it gives people the opportunity to have their say, when perhaps they would have never been given the opportunity

However i have noticed this thread does go in circles a bit

Amen!! Thats what im talking about

Cheers guys and gals. Dunno how much I can help Adelaide dnb, I just do my thing and if ppl are into, then that's excellent. I love dnb, but i suppose I'm not as tribal about it as some. I do find myself producing lots of music other than dnb, because there is so much more music out there in the world. My opinions on when and why certain styles of music are popular or unpopular is vast. Buy me a cider and I'll be happy to rant my musings at you for an hour.

buy him a few ciders and he'll talk shite about anything you want

bahahahahah. what 5 months? go johnny go. 

"strike" Agree - thread going in circles (somewhat)

 Disagree - promoters/clubs are the same as 4/5 years ago.

            - thread is not constructive.

sounds a bit like drum and bass really. seems to go in cycles, just renewed every few years.
on a better note, how much dnb is getting played on adverts and programs atm.

agreed 100%. Why the fuck would anyone want to go to a tec party when their gonna get judged as not being "pure" enough for techno as soon as they set foot through the door. Some of Adelaide's bigger name tec heads ruined our local scene with pure pretentiousness.

Still havent read all the ramblins in hear as you guys say we keep going around in circles -

WE - us here - are the future of DNB in Adelaide - lets stop the fussing and the fighting and make it a fucking ripper future

Looks like Al's going for the grope in that picture though

That must be his thing. He was in a bit of a gropey mood when I came across his drunken self at the Fringe launch on Friday night.

Fortunately a crippled guy caught his attention and I was able to make my escape.

Camera girl was hot, what can i say.

You sure got milk to make me cheese

I think anyone who was at Friday's event saw what the future of dnb in adelaide is.

So much talent of so many genres - We should be supporting the vastness of genres and styles and celebrate it and bring it together to open peoples minds to move us forward into a new era of dnb - not dividing all the groups up and being negative to the other sub genres of dnb - Where is the futre in that? We should be enjoying the fact that we all like different styles and not the same - if we all liked the same shit we wouldnt move anywhere - the scene would stay stagnent and die all together.

I think the first step towards the future of adelaides dnb is to stop being so closed minded about where it is going.

It is the future. Anything is possible.

Lets make it a positive one.

Lets show some repsect. Lets keep it real. Lets keep ourselves inspired.

yeah, see, wobble doesnt have to mean cheese!

what was on friday?

A local show with a multitude of DJ's playing 15 minute sets.

hadn't even heard about it(not that I could have gone anyway). Any stand outs?

I wasn't there myself, but I have heard only great things about it.

i haven't read much of this thread, but was coming to post something similar of this nature, just in our attitudes - some of the recent shit that's gone on has made me embarrassed, i'm even checking myself as much as possible to make sure i don't get involved - in such a small genre, with our crowds down of late (compared to a few years ago) accross the board it seems (promotors could maybe confirm this) our one established forum & meeting place, there's abuse, ignorance, opinion bashing, lack of respect & in general a fucking disgraceful attitude towards our music of choice, no matter the style/sub genre. - i'm not talking bout general forum banter, thats gonna go on, booo i don't like wobble, i don't like pendulum, i don't like darkstep - thats cool, have that opinion but its moved into unnecessary comments i think.
 
General chatter threads - i couldn't care how crass, rude, politically incorrect it gets - but the music sections & our attitude to everybody could do with a facelift maybe - just consider what your posting.

my 2cents - all imo of course

on a positive note - last two friday's have been a refreshing sight to hear wicked tunes, great mates & more randoms out, and also saturdays @ High Contrast & Nutone - 4 great events, lets keep it up

wise words, but i do think it should be a board-wide thing, not just the music threads - imo of course.

SkiNNy, so true. In particular in relation to this forum I have discussed recent events at length with some members and with moderator team. That's why there has been a rules update and we'll be less tolerant. There are certainly many people who think the atmosphere on this forum has been heading in the wrong direction - I want that to change now.

sorry, that read wrong - it meant to read that general abuse in any forum should be stopped

funny how people can be nice to your face but slag you off on a board eh?
not aimed at anyone in particular ffs just food for thought


not advocating 'political correctness' here, cos there are a lot of opinions, just sometimes things go too far to be pleasant or funny...

so true it hurts.

friday night was wicked. hope there are more shows with a similar vibe to come.

to be honest i'm sick of it but obviously this shit has been building up. not saying anything isn't exactly gonna help things get better but then again slaying someone online isn't really gonna help either.

well its nice to see we all finally agree on something   

Hopefully if everyone is getting sick of this shit it means it will stop...   

At least the getting strict on forum rules means that they can now be enforced.

Which means? we should be talking about the future not this crap...

Moving right along people 

Wow, best use of emoticons I have seen in ages. Congratulations.

yep, i knew the 40 dj mash-up would go really well...

there's a balance between what support we give to the music we love and our personal lives ( work, career, family hobbies etc)...
it's not jumping forward, bunny-hopping in leaps and bounds... but with a sound belief in what we really want in our town, and respecting each other's likes and dislikes is part of our crew mantra if you will...
i'm glad to know some of the people involved and glad that they are who they are, even though a clash here or there can distract us...
music touches all of us and is part of out lives at some stage... so it's cool to have some positivity breathing back into the scene... and its good to read the opinions of some people, many of which have the guts to say what most people have only thought about...

you all rock... true