Upgrade Aami Stadium or Get new cbd Stadium

There has been loads of talk about aami stadium gettin a upgrade or building a new stadium in town. What are peoples thoughts about it . I reckon we should get a new stadium that will put us on the map for the big sportin events thiers loads of talk that we be missin out on alot of big sporting events because aami isnt up to standards ei World Cup, Commonwealth Games etc. They say dont want to waste tax payers money but i be happy for them to use it on a new stadium would make me go to more sport etc aami is in the middle of no where compared to the other stadiums in other states makes it harder to get to etc where if we had one in town would make it a piece of piss to get specially for tourists.  Another thing is Adelaide United sold out all there tickets because hindmarsh is to small wonder how much more they could of sold bein at a bigger and better venue. Thats enough for now Discuss

Between FOOTY PARK, Hindmarsh Stadium, Santos Stadium, The Powerhouse, our oceans, beaches, parklands, our rural areas and more, I think we are well covered for various large events for a city of our size. Love it or hate it, I think buildings like SA Water's new headquarters are what we need to liven up the city centre a bit. More modern infrastructure, a year-round Northern Lights along North Terrace perhaps?

If we want people to choose to come to Adelaide to host/attend such events, we first need to de-drab the place a little.

I say no new stadium, just because that's not where my interests lie. I could think of much more important ways to spend that money i.e. The Murray, our shocking emergency departments etc.

I don't think we need to liven up our city with ridiculous looking buildings. I agree with an article by Alexander Downer in the paper the other day. The SA Water HQ just doesn't fit in with our city. We have these beautiful old buildings and then that monstrosity. People aren't going to come here because we have a cool looking SA Water building. The same as those lights on the end of Rundle Mall. A massive waste of money. That isn't going to attract people to come here.

IMO the obvious thing to do is sell AAMI stadium, demolish Adelaide Oval and build a new multi-purpose venue there. Perfect location and we lose 2 useless venues in the process.

With the money allocated to spend at AAMI & Adelaide Oval combined with the money they would get for the land at AAMI you're already half way to paying for a super stadium.

josh is right, but unfortunately Adelaide Oval will not be demolished anytime soon.

aami stadium is a total piece of shit, and too far out of the city.

a new stadium does need to be built if adelaide is ever planning on matching cities like melbourne and sydney.

in melbourne, it's the whole city that benefits in the end from having a good stadium around the cbd. not just for the sport that is played there, but also for all of the restaurants/nightspots/cafe's that the fans all head to afterwards. it brings in so much more revenue, and they are all right near public transport which will take you any direction out of the city they can.

here in adelaide there isn't the attraction to go to see your team play out in the western suburbs, especially when it takes you over an hour to get there from suburbs only 10-15 km away. once the game is over, you aren't close to anything worth going to, so you have to deal with the same shitty traffic again to get home.

it's no wonder people aren't heading to see our local teams like they should be. 

it should either be where the old railway lines are in north terrace, or where the victoria park racecourse is. it's not like we don't have the space.

also, to say that there is much better options to spend the money on is a fair point, but the revenue raised from public transport being used and ticket prices would mean that we would quickly make that money back and then some.


you're right, but it's a start and a push in the right direction to make our city seem more vibrant and worth visiting. leaving the city as it is, is pretty much just pushing us backwards from the rest of australia and the world. in time, with more of these ideas actually going ahead, the city could look pretty amazing. prime example was the northern lights they ran during the fringe last year on north terrace. brought a huge amount of people from their couches into the heart of the city.

definitely a new stadium in town is the go. The vibe around Melb after a game with everyone in their footy gear is awesome, and no doubt generates a lot of $$$ for local business there as opposed to the West Lakes Mall car park

lol
yeah i can see them demolishing adelaide oval.
christ how long did it take for council to approve a screen and lights? it will never happen
besides the grandstands were designed by my great grandfather and one of the few bits of his architectural legacy left in adelaide
best thing they could do with aami stadium is bulldoze the ugly piece of second rate crap and build a pile more stands at adelaide oval. for such a small city, having two stadiums is daft, especially with one out in west lakes.
some additional seating at hindmarsh wouldnt go astray though perhaps, would be nice to be able to host some of the world cup qualifiers and also not sell out in 0.000002114 seconds for the asian cup final played here.




one of the reasons that adelaide feels like a big country town and not a capital city is because its so low density and decentralised. the more things that end up in the CBD the better the transport infastructure will need to be, the more people there will be around the place and the more it will feel like a city.
i for one like the SA water building. only the second 6-star rated building in the country and it was an improvement over the derelict old tram barns there before.


and for the first time in my life i agree with Kevin Foley - the commonwealth games are a b-grade event, why on earth would anyone want to host something that even melbourne made a ridiculous loss on and struggled to get people going to the events??

exactly.

How does that help anything? Would just make an ugly stadium featuring a mish mash of stands look even more jumbled. Adelaide Oval is even more outdated than AAMI stadium with the only thing going for it being a decent cricket pitch (which could be added to any stadium).

I hate how people use the historical argument when talking about Adelaide oval. Has it any more history than the MCG, SCG, or even somewhere like Yankee Stadium? Yet these venues have been regularly upgraded or demolished when it has been required.

I love going to the football but refuse to go as AAMI stadium takes too much effort to get to and is freezing cold during winter with no protection from the elements. I love going to the cricket but refuse to go and sit out in the sun for 12 hours in the middle of summer. I would love to take my kids to either but refuse to do so until I feel they can be comfortable at either event without the risk of freezing themselves or getting sun burned. I know a LOT of people who think the same way. IMO a new stadium would pay for itself in just a few years from the extra money generated from ticket sales.

at no point in saying "a new stadium in the city is the go" did i mention demolishing Adelaide Oval

Brand new Stadium, brand new area

what about demolishing hindmarsh stadium & rebuilding their a multi purpose stadium?

isnt the government going to be running trains along port road soon enough, that would make hindmarsh well accessable for the public.

adelaide oval is about to get a huge upgrade.


i wouldn't have thought there was enough room there, but i suppose you could get rid of a few of the warehouses in the area to make space. it's an ugly looking area anyway.

yeah no shit.  how many fucking rug warehouses do we need on one street.

if you look at a few stadiums in the world, you need fuck all space to wack up a rectangular stadium

suncorp in qld is smack in the middle of house's n highways, much like alot of epl grounds.

put the money frm adl oval onto aami aswell as the already granted money for aami and have aami football and cricket friendly

i was replying to josh and your reply popped in meanwhile.

josh, dont get me wrong, that isnt my belief about adelaide oval, im just talking about how lame and over protective the council and saca are and have been shown to be toward it (to its detriment IMO). in fact thats the reason bloody football park was built.

personally a billion$ is money we cant afford for a brand new stadium. and adelaide oval could ridiculously easily be upgraded and capacity increased while retaining the heritage stuff that people bang on about. piss easy.




given hindmarsh isnt even 10 years old and was way over budget, its safe to say that wont be demolished either... and its TRAMS that will be going along port road.

 I agree 100% with Josh and Chris on this matter. Also Quazz but I say demolish Adelaide Oval. It get's filled maybe twice a year. Unless you count seagulls at Pura Cup matches. It's close to obselete anyway.

An extra 30,000+ people drawn to the CBD on fri/sat nights for the 6 winter months could even allow Adelaide to build something along the lines of a mini south bank like Melbourne imo.

 Part of me agrees that the money could be spent on health etc but that's always going to be an argument. Recreation and creating a vibrant city are just as important.

 This wont happen in the next 20 years anyway.
 

trains or trams, same thing

also i cant see any likely spots where we'd put a new stadium in the cbd.
for fucks sake, remember the furore about buildiing that thing in victoria park? there are too many anti-parklands-development nazis in adelaide for anything like a new stadium.

imo the easiest, most painless solution would be tearing out a heap of adelaide oval and trippling the capacity, bulldozing aami and selling off the land to pay for it. adelaide oval also has a prime spot too.

i think the adl council has had the power taken away from them regarding big developments now.

One of the big problems about a multi-purpose stadium is that cricket & soccer seasons are at the same time.

I don't see why this is a problem though. There are only maybe 3 or 4 cricket matches a year that need to be played at a big stadium - the Australia one day games and one test match a year. State level games can be played anywhere - they are lucky if they attract 500 people. There is no reason a drop in pitch can't be added for the odd international cricket games.

There is no point throwing more money at AAMI stadium as it can't be saved. The surface is fine for football but it can't be used for cricket or soccer plus there is no public transport anywhere near the place and there never will be. It also doesn't work for car parking especially once there are more than 30,000+ people there.

I know demolishing Adelaide Oval probably will never happen but it is the perfect option.

Reading this, I agree, get rid of Footy park, sell the land, build a big fuck off stadium at Adelaide oval.


Take it outside guys http://www.adelaidemassive.com/index.php?topic=2027.0

 

soccer doesnt work too well in a big stadium

i heard the game held at aami years ago with juventus (?) sucked because everyone was too far away from the action.
i went to the adelaide united game at adelaide oval earlier this year and again - its just too big... there mightve been 8000 more people than at a maximum capacity game at hindmarsh but you couldnt tell with everyone so spread out. i'd say that its pretty likely theyre going to expand the capacity at hindmarsh, esp as the interest in united will probably grow following the asian cup stuff and the news that we wont be hosting any world cup qualifiers, being too small.

the expanded adelaide oval should take cricket and aussie rules, problem solved.

having a stadium in or near the CBD would be a traffic nightmare and turn the city into gridlock whenever there is a footy game on.

think about how bad it already gets at aami stadium, and thats out in the middle of nowhere with big long roads going to it and various carparks and shopping centres around it for parking

however, if its in the cbd it may encourage more people to use public transport to go to the games, but being adelaide i doubt it

What do you mean by "big" though?

Most of the UK premiership stadiums have between 30 and 70K capacity. Seems to work well enough for them...

I saw Adelaide v Melb at Tesltra Dome and that was half capacity (a tad under 23,000 people there), and I could see fine.

Maybe you need thicker glasses

I reckon demolish aami stadium and adelaide oval. The amount of money they're pumping into aami for their proposed upgrade is ridiculous. Its in a shit location.. its always freezing cold there, transport sucks, and there's nothing to do there before/after the game. If a new stadium is built where Adelaide oval is they would get much better attendances at all games.. people would be able to bus/tram/train it in, go out for dinner in the city, go to the game, then go out after. All the local businesses would benefit. It will also be easily accessible for people who work in the city.. so much easier being able to walk to the oval to catch a friday night game as opposed to somehow getting out to west lakes/hindmarsh.

it works fine in melbourne for both the mcg and the telstra dome.

the majority of people do arrive and leave using public transport. there's train stations right next to them.

Would that be a viable option right now? Obviously it will take a little while for government bodies to act from the wisdom in this thread, so it's probable that things won't be changing too soon. But with a shaky world economy, Aussie banks starting to freeze withdrawls and the price of housing not exactly cheap, I could see an option such as this leading to an influx in Adelaide bankruptcies.

I agree with the idea of upgrading Adelaide Oval. We are a backwater, everything is old and outdated, we can either modernise our city or just keep falling behind. The history in our buildings is beautiful and we shouldn't discount that, but I feel that we should continue to blend modern with historical architecture across the CBD, especially concerning structures such as Adelaide Oval.

Sure, we'll get people to our state for sporting events here and there, but if we want them to return we have to give them something worth returning for. Something to make them think beyond 'Hmm... I could go to Sydney and take in cool structures like the Opera House and the coathanger, I could go to Melbourne to see a modern-historical blend such as Federation Square and the adjacent Flinders Street Station, their new observation wheel, South Bank, etc, or I could go to Adelaide and see some lovely old churches.'

I think Bramalco has a good point: Modern it.

Most sporting events are either at night time or weekends. Tens of thousands more people come into the city for work each day and there are no traffic problems. Even when the big one day games takeplace at Adelaide Oval traffic isn't a problem. Wouldn't be an issue imo.

This is so true.

If we were to knock down Adelaide Oval these same people would probably want us to keep it down.

Remember all the bullshit about the retractable lights a few years back? All so that a few wankers didnt see them when the games werent on.. then when they didnt work we settled for standard ones anyway!!

Neither.

The State Government should spend money on health and education before they spend millions on a bloody sports stadium.

not capacity - the physical size of the playing surface.
cricket/aussie rules ovals are waaaay bigger and the crowd ends up too far from the action.

hindmarsh could get a lot more easily as needed, just with the extra heigh grandstands as the western one. i think its already planned to build a mirror image one on the eastern side now?

& they should join in the corners, not huge gaps of air between sides, would easily bump numbers

one thing at a time my son
most of the games played there still dont max out yet

ive been to a few a-league games with only 11-12K there out of 17000

United has 3rd lowest attendance average in the A-League. 8500 wereat the game sunday, i see maybe 10,000 going to fridays big game against melb's

Im just saying an easy way to get more people in the seats though in these big games is close those minor areas in.
i reckon if hindmarsh had the main grandstand all the way around the pitch their would be a good number of seats available and it wouldnt over do it. this is if they kept hindmarsh as a stadium ofcourse.

what do people think if a new stadium was built the capacity should be?

i think 50,000 is more then enough.

Ahhh, I get you now.

I think that's one of the reasons for the new "square" stadium in Melbourne...

Upgrading AAMI stadium is pointless. It is obvious that absolutely no strategic planning was done when trying to decide on the location for it to be built. There really couldn't be a worse place to put a stadium. It isn't close too anything and it doesn't seem as if there was any thought about what might happen when you have pissy little exit roads to get out of the area when there is possibly going to be 50,000 people trying to leave the place at the same time.

Build a new one.

As Quaz said, there is a great vibe around the place in Melbourne when the footy is on at Telstra Dome or the G. And as Chris pointed out, having the stadium close to bars/restaurants/clubs etc... gives people the option of going out after the game.

i used to go to west adelaide and adel city games back in the day, 2000 was a decent turnout lol

capacity was 10k back then, and you could easily jump the fence and sneak in

ahh how times change

I am pretty sure that AAMI stadium is government land which is given as a trust grant to SANFL and it is to be used for sporting purposes only. So its not so easy saying to the SANFL, 'oh yeh just knock it down and sell it', because they cant. And if they did, the sale $$ will go to treasury, not SANFL. Knocking it down wont benefit SANFL in anyway so they wont be bothered. Also from what I can remember there are a few things in the pipeline to be going ahead with the stadium in the future anyways.

In regards to using the parklands, I think they are owned by council (or its state government land dedicated to the adelaide council for a specific purpose i.e. recreation or parks purposes) so if the council doesnt agree to it then it wont go ahead. And also if the land is dedicated to the council for a specific purpose.... then the council isnt allowed to use it for any other reason.

I guess though if the government states that they want something to happen, they find a way of making it happen.  As a member of the public the only way you can actually make change is writing in to the Minister for Sport and Recreation, your local MP and the Premier. No matter what, if you are concerned about something and you write into a politicans office, it gets answered to. Then the Minister can raise it at parliament if he/she feels it has become a matter that they could lose votes over. Its all about popularity and # of votes.

mike rann was on 5aa yesterday talking to kg and cornesy  about this, i turned it off. you could prob get a podcast of it off the site if you are really interested.

agreed with what most people here have said the new stadium would get paid of pretty quickly and there would be so much more revenue for small business that would be struggling in town right now. the public transport system would get so much more cash and actully afford new windows you can see out.

in the paper they had a poll if aami should get knocked down there were 1140 voters 80% said yes

i would go to so much more sport if it wasnt at aami like noddy also said and maybe port power might start making some cash

why have a few stadiums designed for one particular sport that are c grade stadiums to go to when you can have a a grade stadium holding all sports, concerts, festivals etc

another thing seems like sanfl have all the power why? all the soccer federations, olympic games, afl and more pretty much laugh at aami stadium apprently when we get the forms back about holding world cup soccer its going to be really bad

afl have said that they think adelaide and our teams would benefit so much more with a new stadium why cant all the leagues that will use the new stadium put money into it also

don't care what he thinks anyway. he's gonna be out of a job soon.

Did you see him have the hissy fit the other day on the news?

 

nah i missed that. hate the guy, so everything bad that might happen to him i believe is thoroughly deserved.

I can think of another good spot for a new stadium. All those massive open sportsfields behind Adelaide High on West Tce. It would liven up the West End which is pretty much dead for most of the time except for when people are leaving/going to HQ or Macca's!

Good pizza nearby as well. Bonus!

page 29 of the tiser today pretty much sums it up.


also some discussion on the poor state of patronage of architecture in adelaide. unfortunately, spot on the money.

link?

5 awards out of 150

S.A Great

yep, its a pretty sad state of affairs the ol adelaide architecture scene.

no one, not the state government or private developers, want to spend money or push the boundaries like they do interstate and overseas, the driving factor for just about every project in SA is 'cheap', hence everything looking pretty damn dull.
i know there's not as much money here as elsewhere, but it shouldnt be as bad as this race to the bottom.


frustrates the fuck out of me - you try and do something a little bit nicer/more interesting and it always gets cut. adelaide just doesnt have a very design savvy culture. i certainly cant imagine half the kick arse buildings that melbourne gets being done in adelaide, at least without major public fuss... actually i reckon the only reason the 2 new Uni SA buildings happened was because they were by a melbourne architect.

Amen. It's as if the Eastern states are 5 years behind the really progressive architectural scene compared to some US cities and many European ones. Adelaide is 20 years behind.

I follow a lot of blogs with architecture/design type reviews and some of the stuff being put together in northern Europe (in particular) is amazing.

Reminds me of that article in the paper awhile ago about some architect building his own house near Victor (I think) and he made it look like a bunch of cubes standing on their corners or something. It made the news paper complete with locals opinions (most of whom didn't like it). I could only laugh.

Yeah, that house down at Pt Elliot, I went down there not long ago and saw it, looks really cool!

it does tend to be locals complaining - too many old people here in SA with nothing better to do - making the overall design culture very conservative at kindest description. what i REALLY hate is when people want it to be fake-heritage...


i was amazed with my own house getting approved by council - we actually got a nearby neighbour response in support - and the planner said theyre in essence worth 10 complaints because everyone is always so suspicious of change here. and my design wast exactly cubes on their corners, lol, it even had fucking pitched roofs for christ sake!
one neighbour complained though and said it should be single storey sandstone (like theirs). their response was more or less filed in the rubbish bin i believe.

I can't agree more... they just look fuckin horrible & can cost a fair amount more than building with modern materials & techniques that are better for the environment.

Don't know about the architecture side of things, but in regards to Engineering, here in Adelaide we are only able to charge 75 - 85% of what they charge in the eastern states. Mainly because there is so much competition for such small amounts of work. You'd think that this would encourage more people to be a little experimentive with their designs. But then some of the more interesting designs I've worked on have been a compete fuckin shambles because the Architects just haven't had the experience to pull it off successfully (without going well over budget anyway).

ha
we say that because the engineers here arent used to dealing with more experimental design and balls it up or say "it cant be done" when it so easily could be

here is a pic of the house that one this years national AIA housing award:


http://www.theage.com.au/news/lifeandstyle/design/australias-best-house/2008/10/30/1224956240538.html

looks like a vagina

Anything is possible as long as someone wants to pay for it.

the jury we're probably all men

i'd be happy to live in a vag though. way preferable to an arsehole

 Be a pain in the ass to move out every month for the painters tho

 

And you would hope they mowed the lawns frequently as well.

 

 

Revealed: City stadium plan


Report proposes 100,000 seat city stadium

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25071443-5006301,00.html

EXCLUSIVE: THE State Government is sitting on a report which recommends building a centrally located sports stadium that seats up to 100,000 people.
The report, commissioned by Sports Minister Michael Wright in 2006, is believed to have gone to the Cabinet without any subsequent action being taken.

The review of the state's sporting infrastructure, obtained by the Liberals under Freedom of Information laws, also recommends the building of a 15,000-seat indoor stadium to attract international netball or basketball championships.

The Government insists the report remains a working document but has maintained staunch opposition to a new city stadium in the face of ongoing public support.

New swimming, cycling and baseball facilities also are recommended "to maintain SA's competitive advantage", but the report's biggest-ticket item is a centrally located stadium.

"To be able to host events such as (the) Commonwealth Games and FIFA World Cup a stadium must be developed that caters for spectator capacity of at least 80,000 (up to 100,000) and be able to be configured to host a variety of activities," the report states.

Location is given as a key principle for all sporting developments, although the report does not specify a place for a new stadium other than being "as close as possible to public transport hubs, car parks, suitable accommodation, retail shopping and entertainment" facilities.

The most obvious location with all these features is central Adelaide.

Mr Wright's spokeswoman said she understood the report, prepared by the Office for Recreation and Sport, had gone to the Cabinet but she did not specify the timing or outcome.

"It is a working document that is continually updated in relation to SA's sporting infrastructure," Mr Wright says in a statement. "The sporting landscape in SA changes continually, which is why the document remains a work in progress."

The report was based on consultation with sporting groups and councils from August 2006, only five months after Melbourne hosted the Commonwealth Games, and was completed in April 2007 – eight months before Milan AC won the FIFA Club World Championships in Japan.

It points to the tourism and lifestyle benefits of elite facilities but "does not imply any delivery commitment from either government or the private sector".

It leaves open the possibility of a privately funded stadium. It also leaves open the possibility of a Government-funded capital project or a public-private partnership.

Opposition Leader Martin Hamilton-Smith said his party's policy was vindicated by the documents.

"The Government reports reinforce what the State Liberals have been saying for more than a year. That is, SA desperately needs a world-class sporting stadium."

 

The State Government deferred its $100 million commitment to upgrade AAMI Stadium in December because the global financial crisis had cut state revenues.

The Opposition last year painted a vision of a new multipurpose city stadium to rejuvenate Adelaide's west, but the plan was savaged by Mr Rann, who vowed to fund instead the $1.7 billion Marjorie Jackson-Nelson Hospital.

The Labor Government has since argued the 2010 state election would be a debate over "the stadium versus the hospital".

Adelaide people remain strongly in favour of a new stadium. More than 85 per cent of the 1922 votes that were cast in an AdelaideNow poll last October favoured a new top-line sporting venue.

The report lists the proposed stadium as a "long-term" priority, which it says means building should start by 2020. But the report also lists the following "high priority" projects to be started by 2010:

A NEW aquatic centre, which the Government last week announced it would take over from the private sector.

A NEW professional cycling track to be located either at the State Sports Park at Gepps Cross or within Victoria Park.

A STATE baseball centre and a soccer training centre.

why the fuck do these dickheads persist in wanting to build sports facilities out in the boondocks?

marion for a swim centre?
velodrome in gepps cross?
footy park in west lakes i understand the politics of the time caused that.

put them in the city area and be done with it. makes it a million times easier to get to for most people - centralised, better public transport options, you dont have to surround it in a sea of a shitty ashphalt car parks and its actually nice seeing the city full of people everynow and then.


but state BASEBALL centre? who the fuck plays baseball?

100,000 seat stadium?????

When will Adelaide ever need a stadium that size?

sigh

Australia has one of the most competitive baseball teams in the world.

Also, they build stadiums out in the boondocks due to their size and facility/utility requirements. As an architect, I am not sure why that is not apparent to you.

Please think, or at least research, before you post.

certainly not for Port games

im well aware of the size of stadiums you clown.
there are plenty of places in the inner city that could be used. The Marj is one large project example - reclaimed land. Works in melbourne (see fed square, telstra dome etc) and plenty of other places that have new inner city sports stadiums. Adelaide has more than a handful of inner areas that are ripe for it.
why they dont just smash down the Nth Adelaide dump and build it there is beyond me. makes a lot more sense than all the way out at marion.


i couldnt give a toss if we have one of the best curling teams in the world, no one cares a fig about it or baseball so why on earth spend money on sports that no one follows? besides if they are one of the most competitive, then they clearly dont need help

We still get more for home finals than the Crows.

Yeh I agree Jayar there is plenty of space within CBD Adelaide to build a stadium.

how many does that make it for the year? 90?

100,000 seems a bit ambitious. Can't ever see Adelaide filling that no matter what the event is, bearing in mind that any grand final from a major sporting event is either going to be in Melbourne or Sydney.

would take an Olympics you'd think

Explain then why Melbourne has 5 stadiums all within 10 minutes walk of the city centre and another one on the way??

Sigh.

Please think, or at least research, before you post.

Melbourne is a city.

Adelaide is a town.

reckon they should reclaim the coke factory and surrounding areas and build it there, that way the new tram will pass by it, and the hospital formally known as the marj mahal can still have its spot. Now all they need is an endless supply of money....


Well, looks like everything is wrapped up in a neat little PACKAGE!

I love you Jules but not for the reasons you think.

I think you love me for my intelligence and wit...

so that must mean...

?

Julian, you should know me well enough by now to know I don't share my ice cream with witty, intelligent people.

I reserve it for the young, impressionable types

I bet you were the loser kid at school who was alwyas picked last to play sport because of your total unco-ness.

Don't hate sports because you fail miserably at them.

ouch! nice try but no banana

for bat and ball sports, cricket >>>>>>>>>>> baseball

but are you seriously going to tell me that there's a considerable slice of the local population who watches or even cares about baseball here? you'd be a very silly man if you did... a couple of hundred spectators to the norwood oval to watch a bunch yanks put out to pasture and aussies who feel the need to act-yankie by taking up chewing tobacco? no thanks, not when there's paint drying somewhere nearby.


i hate watching golf, am shit at playing it and intensely dislike the whole golfing culture, but even i can see that a golf 'centre' makes more sense.

skoal is wicked. leave it alone.

lol

They sold it in Dubai. Came back with nearly 20 cans.

All gone now though

As for Jayar, you're clearly talking about something you have no idea about or knowledge of (again).

If you like cricket more, kudos to you.

scathing comeback there rob

Ah, I can't be arsed tbh. Just know I think you're a grade a moron and let's move on.

sigh
that would involve me both caring and respecting your opinion.

yes, best move on and not get so upset - perhaps you could find a tv channel playing australian baseball and relax?
xx

I'm relaxed.

Anyhoo, I see Marj asked Mr. Rann to take her name off the new hospital.

I chuckled.

You can say the same about soccer.

8000 people at the Adelaide V Roar semi final?

Come on, that's pathetic!

What's the fucking point in upgrading stadiums if that's all you can manage for a FINAL!?

you have no argument here!
most of the games i ever went to mid-season were around the 14-15K mark, ie virtually full capacity. the gamba osaka final leg here was impossible to get tickets for unless you camped out or were a member.

perhaps the fans are just over this season? i certainly am - couldnt be arsed watching it on TV even, at home and with foxtel. lol. call me a fairweather supporter if you will but there is also a lot else going on in adelaide now, im in festival mode for one... who knows?
think ill be watching the final with my hands over my eyes.
shame its a small stadium though as it will never host a world cup game because of it. they got over 25,000 at the adelaide oval game last year but the atmosphere sucked - too far away from the pitch.


who ever hears of baseball games full stop though?

I used to go the Norwood Oval games as a kid when the Adelaide Giants played there. It was always very busy and a great atmosphere but I seriously couldn't see that same thing happening again. It was the right time for it to be honest, early 90's and US culture was having a massive impact on the younger generations, so something as quintessentially American as baseball was a big drawcard.

 From adelaide now

AN OPEN LETTER
To: The Hon. Ian McLachlan, AO
President, SA Cricket Association

DEAR SIR,

(We would not be so presumptious as to say 'Ian').

As a man of politics you might appreciate this thought.

If there were on offer two presidential-style debates - Mike Rann v Martin Hamilton-Smith and Leigh Whicker v Ian McLachlan - which would be more keenly sought after by Adelaide commercial TV?

Not which is more important or meaningful to the greater needs and concerns of South Australians leading up to next year's state election. But of greater public interest?

If AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou were to webcast next month's meeting between the SA Cricket Association and the SANFL it would outstrip the mega-hits being recorded by FOXSports for its entertaining video of Port Adelaide forward Daniel Motlop's goalkicking tricks at Alberton Oval.

The Great Stadium Debate is at an interesting point.

And the public - whose tax-paying dollars are needed to settle the issue - wants less spin and more clarity on just how this saga is to be played out. If top-level Australian football is to return to Adelaide Oval, the SANFL needs:

ASSURANCES it is better off - financially, that is - by leaving its home at West Lakes.

CERTAINTY Adelaide Oval can be redeveloped without North Adelaide residents and heritage devotees sitting in front of bulldozers.

GUARANTEES Australian football is not to be a second-class tenant at the city ground, setting up a repeat of the escape to freedom at West Lakes in 1969.

Understandably, the SA Cricket Association has its non-negotiable positions. Hence, why the public would be fascinated in watching a webcast of any SANFL-SACA meeting. On the imaginary "blank sheet of paper", the notion of football and cricket sharing Adelaide Oval is without parallel.

But, in the real world, the biggest hurdle to this ideal is created by having the SACA and SANFL come from vastly contrasting corners in a negotiating boxing ring.

The SACA, as leaseholder, has controlling rights at Adelaide Oval.

The SANFL, as owner of the AFL licences at Adelaide and Port Adelaide, has the state's most popular and profitable sporting product.

Since 1991, AAMI Stadium has drawn 12,344,580 paying spectators to 338 AFL home-and-away matches and 689,348 bigger paying fans to 17 AFL finals. And the numbers rise with SANFL games and grand finals.

Cricket has not generated such numbers since 1991 at Adelaide Oval.

To ask the SANFL to enter a 50-50 split of revenue at Adelaide Oval is not on. It is comparable to asking Bill Gates to enter a 50-50 share of wealth with Humphrey B. Bear.

The Crows and Power would be worse off. The SANFL clubs would be worse off. Ultimately, Australian football would bankroll the redevelopment of Adelaide Oval to a 50,000-seat stadium - a benefit to cricket and the SACA members but at a cost to football and AAMI Stadium members.

Events in Melbourne, where the AFL is once again at odds with the cricket controllers of the MCG and has no AFL Park at Waverley to use as a bargaining chip, are a warning bell to the SA Football Commission. This impasse at Adelaide Oval can only be solved by compromise.

The question for the SACA executive is how much will it concede to bring Australian football back to Adelaide Oval?

Is the SACA prepared to set up a trust - with football and cricket holding equal seats and an independent chairman - and each sport keeping rather than sharing on a 50-50 basis whatever money it can make (or lose) for its own events?

Ian McLachlan today has the chance to have history remember him as the man who brought Australian football willingly back to Adelaide Oval.

But Leigh Whicker should not have history later declare he was the man who set up the SANFL to relive its nightmares in the city.

Actually we have an excellent training facility plus a premiership coach.

Are you serious?

Do you not know how close the Train station is to the Adelaide Oval? It's a 5-10 minute walk at most.

Not to mention the amount of buses that run up and down King William from the city to North Adelaide.

I think people will cope with the existing public transport BETTER than what they currently run - You do know there are dedicated football buses that run out to AAMI Stadium when games are on?

That was my point. Over 5 minutes is too far for a lot of people.

Hopefully the fat cunts die of a heart attack on the walk and then our health care system won't have to look after them.

 

im working on the current big upgrade of Ports training facilities (though i think some of the girls in the office wish they were doing it after we saw some of the players in the swimming pool ) and met chocco in one of the meetings recently - very animated energetic guy!

i was always more inclined to follow ports arch nemesis Norwood as a kid, but TBH, its nice seeing all the port history around their building and that it stretches longer than 1991  



Thank fuck this upgrade is finally happening. The CBD needs more life.

May as well just make it a 35,000 seat stadium instead of 55,000 then...

So they currently have a shit training facility - doubt they would be spending $20mil on theirs too.

And as for your coach, I think it's safe to say he WAS a premiership coach, but he's far from that now - and the Crows are meant to be the ones living in the past

 People on the Port forum were saying Adelaide Oval is too far from the nearest train/tram stop.

 I wanted to bottle them!

FFS, you have to walk a longer distance if you park at AAMI stadium.

My thoughts exactly - Not to mention you have, trams, trains and buses from ALL areas of Adelaide that stop in that vicinity

Idiots! Crows suppoters on AdelaideNow were saying the Crows fans will miss out because of the lower capacity, but why can't people put their personal issues aside and see this is the best thing for AFL in this state - not to mention cricket, possibly soccer and certainly the city.

 How many times did the Crows have 50k last year tho?

Once... for the Elimination final. So very retarded.

Isn't the plan to bring capacity at Adelaide Oval up to 55,000 anyway?

Yea, what they're saying though is that some of the games do sell out, it's just that the members and those that bought tickets don't show up and now there will be less for people that want to go that can't.

Don't see it myself, and I don't really care if it's less, because the payoff from all of this waaaay exceeds any negatives people are going to put on it.


The only big issue I can see causing problems with it going ahead is the SANFL and SACA fighting (again) over what rights membership to the oval provides. MCG members can go to see anything at that ground and if that were the case here, I would think the SANFL would be upset with that as they would want the members of Adelaide and Port to have as much right, if not more, to games than Adelaide Oval members.

Either way, I was going to put in for Adelaide Oval membership when I got back - this has just doubled my reason to.

 Yeah footy in the city is going to be AMAZING.

 So many positives.

True that.

Adelaide would have to be one of the only cities in Australia or even the world that doesn't have their main stadium within the city limits or at least with easy as access to it.

Yep Melbourne have it sussed. So many more options also for pre or post game action like a pub or restaurant for drinks and food. All you have at Aami is the lakes and Macca's.

This will draw so many more people out of their lounge chairs too I think having a venue like this in the city. Not only that it will be FIFA approved so if we get the World Cup we can get amongst it.

Bring it on...

The fans on these forums don't like this idea because it means they might have to intermingle with unrelated city folk, and if they start breeding with outsiders it will ruin their gene pool.

 I have come around to the idea of leaving the northern end as it is, with the moreton bay figs and the hill and the scoreboard. Reckon it leaves Adelaide Oval as a unique place to watch sport, not another concrete bowl.

 I think it needs  2 massive screens though.

Agreed on both counts there.

does this upgrade include relaying of the oval surface?? having footy on it every year would have to destroy the grass etc alot more than the cricketers would. i remember the soccer players were complaing about the surface aswell.

course they were!

"awwww ref, he foolly he tripped me"

"awwww my gawd, handball."

"aww, the grass is too long"


sooks

How anybody could complain with the surface at Adelaide Oval is beyond me.

 People are so annoying in this state. Whinging about the heritage of Adealde Oval etc. We need to move forward!!!!

 What's the point of an Oval being at anywhere near capacity 2, maybe 3 times a year? Ridiculous.

Too many old people who shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion.

You didn't like the idea of keeping it at first?! I think it's great, new stands plus retains a bit of the history - the scoreboard is around 100 years old after all.

Was just thinking last night, we'll probably lose one of my favourite bits about the oval though - being able to stand by the boundary fence between the Chappel stands. But who cares, I wasn't there all day and THERE'S FOOTY IN THE CITY!!

Agree on the screens too.


That's usually all they have left!

 So the $450m for the Adelaide Oval upgrade includes $85m to be used to 'retire' SACA debts.

 Therefore the upgrade now has to be done for $365m. So pre election the Govt/AFL/SACA lets everyone think that the total money is going towards construction, making it look like like the stadium will be better.

 :lame:

 

 

 
 

Yea, pretty crap.

Don't understand the timeline of all this too. They're currently working on rebuilding the members but they haven't signed a deal with the SANFL yet to rebuild the whole ground. Then there's talk of the World Cup changing how much the stadium will get, but that won't be confirmed until December?

I dont want them to do anymore upgrades to adelaide oval, fuck the soccer, fuck the footy, the new renovations arent looking that good, seems like they have the same design team that did the entertainment centre. The plans to build a new stadium in the city are awesome, that would bring so much life in to adelaide not only for the football but remembering this is multi complex incorporating accommodation, bars, restaurants and hopefully a up to standard casino.

Yea, my preference is to have a new stadium - but if the alternative is to not play footy in the city then I'm all for the Adelaide Oval upgrade. Whispers are though that the upgrade isn't going to happen.

I'd love a brand spanking new stadium in the city, but I also realise that we probably don't have the population to justify that sort of thing.

w/out reading previous posts...


i never go to afl footy, ever. but would probably go if it wasn't as far away as west lakes.

not at double the cost of upgrading adelaide oval (which is stupidly under-utilised as is)

all medical crew seem to want a new hospital anyway, why the fuck would we build a third sports stadium for a city of this size??

Not a third stadium, aami would be demolished and turned into another housing complex.

What was the plan?

Demolish the North Tce. trainyards, train station and casino, keep the historic bits of the building and tack on the new stadium in all the room behind it or something?

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And adelaide oval...

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Ah that looks the goods but I doubt the government have the money for that hey. They'd need guys like Clipsal's Rob Gerard (he'd definitely be keen I reckon) and others to help chip in surely.

IMO
we dont even need two stadiums - one is more than enough for a city this size - and by far the cheapest and easiest result including the hospital upgrade.
complete no brainer...

Just completed a survey on ticket packages that was emailed to me about the upgrade - couple of good plans put forward in there.

While it's not a new stadium with a roof, I think it looks alright and still hoping it goes through as footy in the city will be awesome.